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LUKE2447 06-26-2007 01:49 PM

Actually Digging4truth the states have no authority either as they use a piggy back system to the Fed on Income Tax. They can't show a law either. Some states don't have a income tax. The provision in State law usually just follow the IRC and Section 26 with usual reference back to the IRC.

Digging4Truth 06-26-2007 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 168296)
Actually Digging4truth the states have no authority either as they use a piggy back system to the Fed on Income Tax. They can't show a law either. Some states don't have a income tax. The provision in State law usually just follow the IRC and Section 26 with usual reference back to the IRC.

Indeed... here in Louisiana the law says that you are required to file a state income tax return if you are required to file a federal income tax return. When I read that I thought... well... uhm....That would mean almost none of us are required. :)

But as far as the Browns go... they live in New Hampshire and there is no state income tax in NH.

LUKE2447 06-26-2007 02:07 PM

I have fought the IRS for years been through it all with them. They won't provide a law. Never have and never will. It's a total sham and sadly most are ignorant to IF CAESAR HATH NOT SAID I SHALL NOT RENDER! If the law does not make a wage earner pay "income taxes" which is a profits tax. Then I have no tribute to render thus ANYTHING that is forced from me is extortion. Since I a wage earner live on exhchanging service for money thus not a profit. Oh well I could be on this AAAAALLLL day. Later!

berkeley 06-26-2007 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 168322)
I have fought the IRS for years been through it all with them. They won't provide a law. Never have and never will. It's a total sham and sadly most are ignorant to IF CAESAR HATH NOT SAID I SHALL NOT RENDER! If the law does not make a wage earner pay "income taxes" which is a profits tax. Then I have no tribute to render thus ANYTHING that is forced from me is extortion. Since I a wage earner live on exhchanging service for money thus not a profit. Oh well I could be on this AAAAALLLL day. Later!

You, we get it.. do you pay the income tax?

LUKE2447 06-26-2007 02:18 PM

No!

berkeley 06-26-2007 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 168337)
No!

How do you keep yourself out of prison?

LUKE2447 06-26-2007 02:26 PM

Filing TONS of paper work and challenging the current agents to abide by the law which they never do. Setting up a huge CLEAR paper trail of my intents.
2nd they have to find out if I have any income by there standards. Which I don't. I am a little fish in a huge pond.

berkeley 06-26-2007 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 168347)
Filing TONS of paper work and challenging the current agents to abide by the law which they never do. Setting up a huge CLEAR paper trail of my intents.
2nd they have to find out if I have any income by there standards. Which I don't. I am a little fish in a huge pond.

:hmmm We should be hearing about you on the news any day now..

Plan on launching a home business soon.. wonder what the laws say about....

Chan 06-26-2007 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 168322)
I have fought the IRS for years been through it all with them. They won't provide a law. Never have and never will. It's a total sham and sadly most are ignorant to IF CAESAR HATH NOT SAID I SHALL NOT RENDER! If the law does not make a wage earner pay "income taxes" which is a profits tax. Then I have no tribute to render thus ANYTHING that is forced from me is extortion. Since I a wage earner live on exhchanging service for money thus not a profit. Oh well I could be on this AAAAALLLL day. Later!

The 16th Amendment states: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." The fact that Congress has established income tax rates is sufficient evidence that there is a law on the books requiring citizens to pay taxes. Of course, Title 26 of the United States Code (the federal laws) identifies who is required to file an income tax return (see section 6011 of 26 USC). There is nothing in the 16th amendment about the income having to be profit, it just says "incomes, from whatever source derived..." Your dad could give you $20.00 and it is technically "income" under the 16th amendment.

LUKE2447 06-27-2007 08:02 AM

Chan what do you not understand about "conferred no new taxing powers?"


“The provisions of the Sixteenth Amendment conferred no new power of taxation . . .” — United States Supreme Court, Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., 240 U.S. 103 (1916)
“The Sixteenth Amendment, although referred to in argument, has no real bearing and may be put out of view. As pointed out in recent decisions, it does not extend the taxing power to new or excepted subjects...” — United States Supreme Court, Peck v. Lowe, 247 U.S. 165 (1918)


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