No, I don't agree with that and it's that kind of thinking that early reformers used to justify not sending missionaries to reach the lost (some of them even taught it was the government's job to reach the lost and not the Church's). There is nothing in scripture that commands the Church to exercise dominion over the Earth. Besides, God is going to create a NEW heavens (universe) and new Earth.

No, I don't give a rat's behind about the sinking ship: I only care about getting as many passengers off of it as possible.

So you don't agree. Big deal. You relegate the Lordship of Christ to only the portion of life that you see fit. Scripture clearly states that Christ is lord of all and is in dominion now.

Hypothetically, If a Christian becomes a major leader in a country he is NOT to let his Christian principles influence his rulings? Absurd and anti-christian.

BTW, Show me where the creation mandate was ever repealed. Hebrews 2 and Psalms 8 refer to it.

BTW, I don't believe that Christians should ever force anyone to be Christian. That is not the place of government. But to suggest that a Christian ruler should have no different presuppositions that guide him is preposterous.

Your ship is sinking and mine has Jesus on board.

No, I don't relegate the Lordship of Christ to only a portion of life. However, neither do I try to claim that somehow Jesus is actually ruling over the Earth right at this very moment. Salvation is for individuals and Christ's Lordship is over individuals. The time is coming when Jesus will, in fact, literally reign on Earth but now is not that time and the Christian's ONLY purpose in this present world is to obey the Great Commission and to conform to the image of Christ.

He is subject to the laws of that particular country. If that country is the United States of America then he is prohibited from trying to impose Christian faith on the citizenry. The government formed by the Constitution is a secular government. Besides, in the United States it isn't the President that makes law, it's Congress that does.

When Adam and Eve lost that dominion to Satan in the fall. Do you not remember that Satan told Jesus all the kingdoms of this world were his to give to whomever he wills? That Psalm 8 and Hebrews 2 happen to refer to it means nothing more than referring to a past historical event.

I know you don't believe in forced conversions.

Well, it's good to know you agree the Reformers didn't get everything right. :) I really wish you would read what I post instead of reading into my posts! Frankly, I thought you were above that sort of thing. I said nothing about Christian rulers at all.

Not! The Christian's ship is, according to the song, "that good ol' gospel ship."

Yes....? So what was the point in saying this is ONLY the church of england if that law can apply to anyone which I presume means other churches too?

There are several passages that state that Christ reign is present.

1 Cor. 15:"20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God [3] has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all."

Hebrews 1 says it well- 1:1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,

“You are my Son,
today I have begotten you”?

Or again,

“I will be to him a father,
and he shall be to me a son”?

6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says,

“Let all God's angels worship him.”

7 Of the angels he says,

“He makes his angels winds,
and his ministers a flame of fire.”

8 But of the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”

10 And,

“You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning,
and the heavens are the work of your hands;
11 they will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment,
12 like a robe you will roll them up,
like a garment they will be changed. [1]
But you are the same,
and your years will have no end.”

13 And to which of the angels has he ever said,

“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”?

Psalms 22:27-31

27 All the ends of the earth shall remember
and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
shall worship before you.
28 For kingship belongs to the Lord,
and he rules over the nations.

29 All the prosperous of the earth eat and worship;
before him shall bow all who go down to the dust,
even the one who could not keep himself alive.
30 Posterity shall serve him;
it shall be told of the Lord to the coming generation;
31 they shall come and proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn,
that he has done it.

Ephesians 1:15-23 "15 For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love [6] toward all the saints, 16 I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 18 having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might 20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

Christ is enthroned now. Even Romans 13 states that civil rulers are ministers of God. If that is true, no matter what the term 'minister' means in that context, they are responsible to Christ for their actions and are held accountable, no matter Christian or not.

Matthew 28:18 states that all authority has been given to Christ by the Father and we're to make disciples of the nations

LOL!! If what I said is "thick headed" then truly what you say here is from someone "thin headed". So thin there appears to not be much inside.