Well see you missed the point. The question was about GOOD Muslims. According to Fundamentalist Muslims those that are NOT of the list are not really good Muslims :winkgrin

Hehehe Just like to keep things interesting Bro. Strange. :igotit

I was thinking about how awful things are in Europe and wondering the same thing myself...

Some differences- Europe is a religous vacume. So far, arguably, America still is more Christian than not.

America is still a land of opportunity for those that are looking for the opportunity. England and France have less capitalism.

Those that come to America, likely have greater resources to get started with then those underemployed and not employed restless young people in Europe. For the same reason, we are more likely to have whole families come here then just single men looking for anything better than where they were at.

Finally, American freedom is something to be excited about. I think the Muslims that come understand (so far) that tolerance works.

Just some thoughts for discussion... I could certainly be wrong! :D

That muslims have a moral center is irrelevant. Having a moral center does not prevent someone from killing the enemies of God and thinking it was a moral deed.

As for the majority of Muslims here, you all should realize that Islam has taken over other nations, even Christians, without firing a shot or blowing up anything. They did that in Lebanon without violence. They gained sympathetic support from the Christians there and then took over the political system. They grew in numbers until they were the majority...anyone see a pattern? This is happening in Britain and the rest of Europe. The "attacks" that have occured were from the more extremists groups, yet you hear very little outcry from most of the other Islamics and that is probably because they all agree on the conclusion or outcome, not necessarily on the means.

It's a logical fallacy to just accuse someone of hate for saying that. I have a ton of links with historical references if you are interested..in fact I have already posted them in the past.

BTW Theologically ALL Muslims believe it's the goal of Islam to convert the entire world and governments to Islam. It's the goal of Christians to convert the entire world to Christianity....we do it by witnessing and teaching bible studies and sending missionaries. They do it by armed struggle, population shifts/changing the demographics and taking over the political system. They use the laws of whereever they are at to their advantage to spread Islam and make the culture change to accomodate them.

Bro S, you cannot paint all muslims with a broad brush.

Are all Pentecostals snake handlers?
Are all Christians abortion clinic bombers?
Do all Christians even believe in the absolutel authority of the Word?

Within Islam there are a variety of different sects, each interpretting the same writings in a very different manner.

It sort of reminds me of AFF...:nod

You can paint MOST Muslims a certain way theologically/politically and socially because of the Quran.

Also mind you, there are not a thousand Islamic denominations with different beliefs. You have Sunni and you have Shiites and they have peculiar belief systems.

I have been told all of the above.

Certainly, I would hope that when (and they will) become the majority in America that they wll remain the nice sweet peace loving moral people that they are now...unlike all the other Muslims around the world. However, I have my serious doubts.

I have also been told that in the minority, they are as lambs. As equals they are as foxes. In the majority, they are tigers.

My prefered method of evangelism is not at the edge of the sword. I would hope that any other religion domiciled in America would not feel the need to use armed conflict to make converts. I have a strong aversion to having my head chopped off, if that is their loving method of evangelism.

I think you need to start witnessing to and befriending some Muslims. I think it will expand your perception...

Well, GL...

Maybe they are just our brothers and sisters. Bless their little hearts. I sure wouldn't want to think anything negative about our brothers and sisters' religion at all, without just cause.

Praxeas- I was speaking of the kind of moral center that means young people don't drink and do drugs and engage in premarital sex so that they can have intact families in the future; who in turn raise children that likewise bring up children in a family environment with both a mother and a father. WE as a nation are failing terribly at this.

For the record; I accused the letter writer of hate speech for saying that good Muslims could not be good Americans.

I think you should put some of your facts and figures here. Let's look at historical cause and effect and see if its as crystal clear as you suppose... :IAM

I think it will take at least a generation or two for traditional Muslim practices to fade away among Muslim Americans, much like other cultural practices and whatnot fade away with other groups. I am the first generation in my family to be born here in the States and there is very little I have in common with people that live on the Island, culturally speaking.