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chosenbyone 05-31-2008 12:07 PM
Re: Ex-Bush Spokesman: Propaganda Used to Push War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico (Post 478547)
Saddam Hussein proved he had weapons of mass destruction when he gassed thousands of his own people. Anyone who would be willing to use those types of weapons on his own people would not hesitate to use them on others. He admitted before his death that he tried to make it look to the rest of the world that he was up to no good in developing other ways of using WMDs, even though he wasn't. Hussein played a game with the rest of the world and his cost him his life.
The sad reality was that the US sold Saddam the very gas he used on his own people.

Rico 05-31-2008 12:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 478570)
Bro...most nations in the world have the ability to gas a significant number of people...that's no reason to lie to justify an invasion. Hey...we've got that ability many times over...what if Russia felt a preemptive attack on the US to protect her interests were justified? We can't go around invading every country that has gas or uses it...we'd have war without end and it would be the death of us. But here's the deal...a Middle Eastern nation with nukes...now that justifies military action to protect Israel and our economic interests in the region, like oil. That's why Bush led us to believe they already had nukes or were on the verge of having them in a couple months.

Strong sanctions were already causing Saddam's regime to teeter on the verge of collapse. The IAEA, the UN, and the CIA warned that they believed Saddam was bluffing in his rhetoric... seeing that his regime was a sinking ship. If you can remember that's why they were demanding more inspections to verify the charges Bush was making. It all wasn't adding up. The Administration made the case that more inspections weren't needed because Saddam wasn't complying anyway and pushed for the war. Hate to say it...but if the inspectors got in again...they may have proven the Administration's accusations regarding nuclear capability and projects to be exaggerated.

Here's what gets my goat...if McClellan is right...the IAEA and the United Nations was telling us more truth about Iraq than the Bush Administration.
Brother, as I said in another post, if this McClellan fella had any real proof of his allegations, and actually cared about the supposed injustices he's attempting to correct, then why didn't he take his proof to the members of Congress for them to investigate? The democrats would love nothing more than to have a justifiable reason to hand Bush his own head on a silver platter.

Rico 05-31-2008 12:12 PM
Re: Ex-Bush Spokesman: Propaganda Used to Push War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chosenbyone (Post 478581)
The sad reality was that the US sold Saddam the very gas he used on his own people.
We certainly had our hand in creating the dragon we later had to come back and slay.

Grasshopper 05-31-2008 02:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico (Post 478582)
Brother, as I said in another post, if this McClellan fella had any real proof of his allegations, and actually cared about the supposed injustices he's attempting to correct, then why didn't he take his proof to the members of Congress for them to investigate? The democrats would love nothing more than to have a justifiable reason to hand Bush his own head on a silver platter.
Well...first the Rove/Libby thing is already in the legal process. Everything about Katrina is history, maybe disheartening, but nothing criminal. First they'd have to be willing to hear him, he's only a formal press secretary. His story regarding the Iraq War would bring cabnet officials, defense committees, the Pentagon and a number of high level government officials under deep scrutiny, then factor in all the high level top secret stuff that they would use to prevent discussion on the issue. It's better to write a book, get the story out, allow open discussion on it, and if Congress wishes to act or hear him formally they can act.

Rico 05-31-2008 03:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 478712)
Well...first the Rove/Libby thing is already in the legal process. Everything about Katrina is history, maybe disheartening, but nothing criminal. First they'd have to be willing to hear him, he's only a formal press secretary. His story regarding the Iraq War would bring cabnet officials, defense committees, the Pentagon and a number of high level government officials under deep scrutiny, then factor in all the high level top secret stuff that they would use to prevent discussion on the issue. It's better to write a book, get the story out, allow open discussion on it, and if Congress wishes to act or hear him formally they can act.
Just imagine the props a democratic congressman or senator would get for being the one to initiate such an investigation. They've been looking for a reason to give the Bush administration the old one-two since he got elected. Plus, they've suffered embarassment after embarassment since they took over the House with the promise of doing something to stop the Bush administration. All it would take is for one of them to be willing to listen to this McClellan fella. Sorry, but I just don't believe he has any proof to back his claims.

Grasshopper 05-31-2008 03:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico (Post 478748)
Just imagine the props a democratic congressman or senator would get for being the one to initiate such an investigation. They've been looking for a reason to give the Bush administration the old one-two since he got elected. Plus, they've suffered embarassment after embarassment since they took over the House with the promise of doing something to stop the Bush administration. All it would take is for one of them to be willing to listen to this McClellan fella. Sorry, but I just don't believe he has any proof to back his claims.
Only time will tell.

Rico 05-31-2008 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 478757)
Only time will tell.
In the meantime who knows how much money this guy is making off this book. Sure sounds to me like he's trying to the right thing. NOT!

Praxeas 05-31-2008 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 473654)
Duh.
Duh is right....ALL presidencies do this. But that does not mean the opposite of what they said is the truth. Katrina fault does not lie with Bush as much as it does with Nagin and the governer

Grasshopper 05-31-2008 05:35 PM
Re: Ex-Bush Spokesman: Propaganda Used to Push War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico (Post 478748)
Just imagine the props a democratic congressman or senator would get for being the one to initiate such an investigation. They've been looking for a reason to give the Bush administration the old one-two since he got elected. Plus, they've suffered embarassment after embarassment since they took over the House with the promise of doing something to stop the Bush administration. All it would take is for one of them to be willing to listen to this McClellan fella. Sorry, but I just don't believe he has any proof to back his claims.
Only time will tell.

Rico 05-31-2008 06:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 478921)
Only time will tell.
I am sure Ms. Pelosi would jump at the chance, seeing as how her rallying cry has been to stop this war. Her and her buddies tried cuttin off the purse strings and Bush put a whammy on that notion faster than it takes a frog to eat a fly. Yeah, the democrats want to give Bush some serious payback. McClellan has some proof and couldn't find any of them to run with it? Yeah, right! He did this for the money, plain and simple. Besides, anyone with half a brain knows a book written by the whistleblower who let Congress in on all the shenanigans going on at the White House, with the President heading up a conspiracy to lie to the American people about the reasons for going to war would sell a whole lot more copies than one written by some disgruntled knucklhead with an axe to grind who makes accusations without having any real proof. (try repeating that sentence 10 times rapidly :D)

Grasshopper 05-31-2008 06:55 PM
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Rico,

Just because there's no proof right now doesn't mean things will not be revealed after the Administration is out. After the Bush Administration is out many things will be reviewed, disclosed, declassified, and people from the Pentagon, CIA, and even a few very high officials who served the British government could come forward. Don't get all sure of anything yet, don't let your Bush loyalty get you into a place where Bush makes you look bad. Just give it time. We'll revisit this again once Bush is out of office and things start coming to light.

Rico 06-01-2008 03:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 478995)
Rico,

Just because there's no proof right now doesn't mean things will not be revealed after the Administration is out. After the Bush Administration is out many things will be reviewed, disclosed, declassified, and people from the Pentagon, CIA, and even a few very high officials who served the British government could come forward. Don't get all sure of anything yet, don't let your Bush loyalty get you into a place where Bush makes you look bad. Just give it time. We'll revisit this again once Bush is out of office and things start coming to light.
It has nothing to do with Bush loyalty, GH. It does, however, have everything to do with common sense. The things I've said concerning the McClellan fella would be true regardless of who was in office. If any administration were to take this country to war based on lies and intentional deception of the American people, those in power from the opposing party would jump at the chance to expose that administration's lies.

Pressing-On 06-01-2008 03:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico (Post 479783)
It has nothing to do with Bush loyalty, GH. It does, however, have everything to do with common sense. The things I've said concerning the McClellan fella would be true regardless of who was in office. If any administration were to take this country to war based on lies and intentional deception of the American people, those in power from the opposing part would jump at the chance to expose that administration's lies.
One thing McClellan is touting is that Bush should have stood by his word on firing anyone involved in the Plame leak would be fired from the Administration.

What he doesn't get right is that Bush said that anyone that was convicted of a crime would be fired and Rove was never charged with that crime.

Aquila 06-01-2008 09:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico (Post 479783)
It has nothing to do with Bush loyalty, GH. It does, however, have everything to do with common sense. The things I've said concerning the McClellan fella would be true regardless of who was in office. If any administration were to take this country to war based on lies and intentional deception of the American people, those in power from the opposing party would jump at the chance to expose that administration's lies.
Ric

The political fallout would be too great because members in Congress from both parties authorized military action and participated in the rhetoric.

I think we're going to be shocked at what comes to light after this Administration leaves the White House.

Aquila 06-01-2008 09:27 PM
Re: Ex-Bush Spokesman: Propaganda Used to Push War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 479789)
One thing McClellan is touting is that Bush should have stood by his word on firing anyone involved in the Plame leak would be fired from the Administration.

What he doesn't get right is that Bush said that anyone that was convicted of a crime would be fired and Rove was never charged with that crime.
Libby was convicted...and they're trying to get Rove under oath. Let's not count our chickens before they hatch.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...pWwRbmPDyj17WA

Rico 06-01-2008 09:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 480095)
Ric

The political fallout would be too great because members in Congress from both parties authorized military action and participated in the rhetoric.

I think we're going to be shocked at what comes to light after this Administration leaves the White House.
We probably won't know all the facts until we're both old and ready to head Home. Never could understand why people need to be afraid of the truth.

Aquila 06-01-2008 10:15 PM
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Here's a candidate nobody's talking about:

http://baldwin2008.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbQLmCa4dm4

SOUNWORTHY 06-02-2008 05:23 AM
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Something to think about for you people who find fault with out Commander and Chief.

Jay Leno on President Bush (Surprising)




Jay Leno wrote this; it's the Jay Leno we don't often see....




As most of you know I am not a President Bush fan, nor have I ever been, but this is not about Bush, it is about us, as Americans, and it seems to hit the mark.


'The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some Poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right?


The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the President.

In essence 2/3 of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change. So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, 'What are we so unhappy about?''




A.. Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 Days a week?




B.. Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter?




C.. Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job?




D. Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?




E.. Maybe it is the ability to drive our cars and trucks from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state?




F.. Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter?




G.. I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough either.




H. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.




I.. Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home.




J.. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames, thus saving you, your family, and your belongings.




K.. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss.




L.. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90% of teenagers own cell phones and computers.




M.. How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world?




Maybe that is what has 67% of you folks unhappy.




Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S., yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have, and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.




I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks? The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me?




Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad? Think about it......are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the 'Media' told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day. Make no mistake about it.




The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an 'other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.




So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans?




Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells, and when criticized, try to defend their actions by 'justifying' them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like OJ. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way......Insane!





Turn off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as country. There is exponentially more good than bad. We are among the most blessed people on Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative.' 'With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, 'Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?'

Jay Leno

Aquila 06-02-2008 08:47 AM
Re: Ex-Bush Spokesman: Propaganda Used to Push War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 480244)
Something to think about for you people who find fault with out Commander and Chief.

Jay Leno on President Bush (Surprising)




Jay Leno wrote this; it's the Jay Leno we don't often see....




As most of you know I am not a President Bush fan, nor have I ever been, but this is not about Bush, it is about us, as Americans, and it seems to hit the mark.


'The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some Poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right?


The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the President.

In essence 2/3 of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change. So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, 'What are we so unhappy about?''




A.. Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 Days a week?




B.. Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter?




C.. Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job?




D. Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?




E.. Maybe it is the ability to drive our cars and trucks from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state?




F.. Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter?




G.. I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough either.




H. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.




I.. Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home.




J.. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames, thus saving you, your family, and your belongings.




K.. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss.




L.. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90% of teenagers own cell phones and computers.




M.. How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world?




Maybe that is what has 67% of you folks unhappy.




Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S., yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have, and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.




I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks? The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me?




Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad? Think about it......are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the 'Media' told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day. Make no mistake about it.




The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an 'other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.




So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans?




Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells, and when criticized, try to defend their actions by 'justifying' them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like OJ. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way......Insane!





Turn off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as country. There is exponentially more good than bad. We are among the most blessed people on Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative.' 'With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, 'Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?'

Jay Leno
More lies.

Jay Leno never wrote this. And it's a blatant simplification of the complex issues we're facing.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/hitnail.asp

When will the lies and distortions end?

SOUNWORTHY 06-02-2008 10:34 AM
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You are correct, L. Leno didn't say all of it Craig Smith did. Either way I agree 100%. I said it before in another post. Too many Americans are only concerned with what the government can do to line their pockets with more benifets. There are only a few on here who are regular Bush bashers. I wonder haoe many of you are vertans of any conflict.

DividedThigh 06-02-2008 11:05 AM
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mcclellan is a disgrunt who didnt have a job and needed money, has no hard proof of anything he says , and no creds, enough said, dt

Aquila 06-02-2008 11:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY (Post 480414)
You are correct, L. Leno didn't say all of it Craig Smith did. Either way I agree 100%. I said it before in another post. Too many Americans are only concerned with what the government can do to line their pockets with more benifets. There are only a few on here who are regular Bush bashers. I wonder haoe many of you are vertans of any conflict.
I can only speak for myself, I served peace time. I value our fighting forces. I don’t believe we should be engaged in a war of choice. Our soldiers are not meaningless pawns to waste on a globalist agenda. As we speak our boys are dying to enforce a UN resolution, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. We need to pull out of the UN and stop being the UN’s global enforcer. We need to pull our boys out and tell the UN, “Fight your own war.” But Bush doesn’t have those kind of guts…Bush is another globalist like his father. And the way we’re treating our troops who are coming home needs some work too.

Aquila 06-02-2008 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 480438)
mcclellan is a disgrunt who didnt have a job and needed money, has no hard proof of anything he says , and no creds, enough said, dt
Let's all sing...

"Everything is beautiful..."

We'll see what happens when it's all said and done. It's far from over. I vote with what was said above, give it time.

Aquila 06-02-2008 11:22 AM
Real conservatives will vote for the only real conservative running, Chuck Baldwin. Phonies and globalists will vote McCain.

http://baldwin2008.com/

DividedThigh 06-02-2008 11:31 AM
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i like the email that came out this morning that bob dole sent him, that sums it up for me, i saw him on meet the depressed yesterday, not impressed, dt

chosenbyone 06-02-2008 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 480438)
mcclellan is a disgrunt who didnt have a job and needed money, has no hard proof of anything he says , and no creds, enough said, dt
Don't you find it more than a little peculiar that the Bush Administration has gone after McClellan's character versus the misinformation and lies that he wrote in his book?

If McClellan wrote the lies that have been alleged by Bush and his staff and given the already poor public opinion of him, there should be little doubt that McClellan's work would be systematically torn to shreds by Bush's team.

The character assignation that has flooded the airwaves since the release of the book has been lock and step with how this administration has handled similar situations in the past. ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACH the individual instead of presenting evidence to support their arguement.

McClellan will no doubt need the $75,000 that was paid to him by the publisher of his book given that it will be very difficult to go forward with a career. Remember, he has a family and he is under 40, so he has many more years to find work to support himself and his love ones.

Pressing-On 06-02-2008 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 480104)
Libby was convicted...and they're trying to get Rove under oath. Let's not count our chickens before they hatch.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...pWwRbmPDyj17WA
This isn't even regarding Plame. It's about "Democratic" Gov. Don Siegelman and the White House firing of nine U.S attorneys, which isn't a big deal.

He'll probably get executive privilege and that will be the end of it.

Politics and revenge in an election year.

DividedThigh 06-02-2008 11:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chosenbyone (Post 480463)
Don't you find it more than a little peculiar that the Bush Administration has gone after McClellan's character versus the misinformation and lies that he wrote in his book?

If McClellan wrote the lies that have been alleged by Bush and his staff and given the already poor public opinion of him, there should be little doubt that McClellan's work would be systematically torn to shreds by Bush's team.

The character assignation that has flooded the airwaves since the release of the book has been lock and step with how this administration has handled similar situations in the past. ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACH the individual instead of presenting evidence to support their arguement.

McClellan will no doubt need the $75,000 that was paid to him by the publisher of his book given that it will be very difficult to go forward with a career. Remember, he has a family and he is under 40, so he has many more years to find work to support himself and his love ones.
believe what you want to believe chosen, i dont believe him, dt

chosenbyone 06-02-2008 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 480467)
believe what you want to believe chosen, i dont believe him, dt
That's what makes America so great!!! We can express our vastly different opinions without being persecuted or jailed. God bless America!

BTW, I am still voting for Ron Paul this November!

Aquila 06-02-2008 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 480467)
believe what you want to believe chosen, i dont believe him, dt
A lot of people will look real idiotic once Bush is gone and everyone, including some leading Republicans, disassociate themselves by revealing the corruption behind the scenes. The American people are pretty forgiving to people who "fess up". Let's see what happens when Bush doesn't have the power to attack and destroy all who come against him.

How will you deal with this dt?

Aquila 06-02-2008 11:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chosenbyone (Post 480472)
That's what makes America so great!!! We can express our vastly different opinions without being persecuted or jailed. God bless America!

BTW, I am still voting for Ron Paul this November!
Paul still running?

Pressing-On 06-02-2008 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by chosenbyone (Post 480463)
Don't you find it more than a little peculiar that the Bush Administration has gone after McClellan's character versus the misinformation and lies that he wrote in his book?

If McClellan wrote the lies that have been alleged by Bush and his staff and given the already poor public opinion of him, there should be little doubt that McClellan's work would be systematically torn to shreds by Bush's team.

The character assignation that has flooded the airwaves since the release of the book has been lock and step with how this administration has handled similar situations in the past. ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACH the individual instead of presenting evidence to support their arguement.

McClellan will no doubt need the $75,000 that was paid to him by the publisher of his book given that it will be very difficult to go forward with a career. Remember, he has a family and he is under 40, so he has many more years to find work to support himself and his love ones.
The thing is McClellan omits Armitage giving Plames' identity to Bob Woodward at the Washington Post. He doesn't even mention that Armitage turned himself in to the Justice Department before Fitzgerald was named the special prosecutor. He also ignores Patrick Fitzgerald's long, expensive investigation that found no violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

This is why many believe the book is out of bitterness and was tweaked by the editors.

He is reeking of bitterness, mainly, because he knew people viewed him as unqualified and just a loyalist from Texas, which is probably true. He was ousted because he was unqualified plain and simple. His mother is even reported as saying that he would fight back. Sounds just like her. lol

Aquila 06-02-2008 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 480478)
The thing is McClellan omits Armitage giving Plames' identity to Bob Woodward at the Washington Post. He doesn't even mention that Armitage turned himself in to the Justice Department before Fitzgerald was named the special prosecutor. He also ignores Patrick Fitzgerald's long, expensive investigation that found no violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

This is why many believe the book is out of bitterness and was tweaked by the editors.

He is reeking of bitterness, mainly, because he knew people viewed him as unqualified and just a loyalist from Texas, which is probably true. He was ousted because he was unqualified plain and simple. His mother is even reported as saying that he would fight back. Sounds just like her. lol
Have you read the book?

Pressing-On 06-02-2008 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 480487)
Have you read the book?
I've read several reviews by people I respect. And incidentally, the above information that I posted is pretty much common knowledge, although I think some may have forgotten about it.

Aquila 06-02-2008 11:57 AM
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McClellan is obviously reporting what happened as he sees it looking back at his experience with the administration.

He's not telling us anything we really don't already know. This administration is filled with mass corruption. We'll know more when their out of office. And those who defended them should be viewed as being of like spirits.

Aquila 06-02-2008 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 480492)
I've read several reviews by people I respect. And incidentally, the above information that I posted is pretty much common knowledge, although I think some may have forgotten about it.
Well, well, well. That settles it. :lol

We'll see what happens when Pentagon officials, advisers, CIA officers, embassadors, congressmen, and others who have been silent for fear of being politically destroyed feel safe enough to speak out.

Aquila 06-02-2008 12:04 PM
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Pressing....you seem to think the issue is settled. Just wait. You'll look real silly after all is said and done. I think it will prove many around here don't have the judgment to babysit a gold fish. I think that if this administration is proven to be as corrupt as I believe we'll find out....those who supported them should be legally declared too blind to legally vote again. :lol

DividedThigh 06-02-2008 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 480473)
A lot of people will look real idiotic once Bush is gone and everyone, including some leading Republicans, disassociate themselves by revealing the corruption behind the scenes. The American people are pretty forgiving to people who "fess up". Let's see what happens when Bush doesn't have the power to attack and destroy all who come against him.

How will you deal with this dt?
lets see i will live my life, and laugh, love and be happy, how bout you, dt

Pressing-On 06-02-2008 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 480503)
Well, well, well. That settles it. :lol

We'll see what happens when Pentagon officials, advisers, CIA officers, embassadors, congressmen, and others who have been silent for fear of being politically destroyed feel safe enough to speak out.
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 480515)
Pressing....you seem to think the issue is settled. Just wait. You'll look real silly after all is said and done. I think it will prove many around here don't have the judgment to babysit a gold fish. I think that if this administration is proven to be as corrupt as I believe we'll find out....those who supported them should be legally declared too blind to legally vote again. :lol
LOL! We shall see. I've watched the thing closely as it has unfolded, so nothing here is new news to me. I've watched McClellan as spokesman for the Bush Administration and I wondered why they had chosen him in the first place. So, really, I was on board with his "unqualified" a long time ago. :D

Aquila 06-02-2008 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DividedThigh (Post 480517)
lets see i will live my life, and laugh, love and be happy, how bout you, dt
Of course you will...

You won't feel a bit foolish?


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