Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54183)

I know you are trying to be funny, but that is just asinine. Are we so carnally minded that we have to dress in such a way as to reveal our sexuality to other members...even married ones?

Originally Posted by Kutless (Post 53964)

Went to a wonderful fellowship last night. Lots of food and lots of laughs. One of the things that makes serving the Lord so awesome.

I began to look around at "us" and recall how we are quite the braggerts when it comes to separation. At times it almost becomes a prejudice as we look down on people who cannot afford the more "in style" modest dress.

I then began to look at those that held position at church and began to realize how foolish my thinking is. The bottum line is modesty and we must make a clear evaluation of what that is.

One gentlemen had on some stone washed jeans so tight I said a quiet prayer for his nether region. OUCH! His shirt sleeves were tight as to show tattoos of wizards, past relationships, etc. etc.

Another, in the middle of a casual setting, sported his expensive high fashion dress shoes, very gaudy and decrative. Name brand shirt and slacks very evident.

Then we look at the female examples of modesty. We had two or three playing ball in the yard with very revealing form fitting t-shirts. We had some young teenagers with skirts climbing monkey bars, sliding down slides,etc.

The most appalling of the evening was the youth pastors wife. Her clothes could not have been any tighter. Form fitting jean skirt barely covered the knees. My wife told me later that evening she helped her get some things in the kitchen and when she bent over her shirt crawled up her back halfway. I don't know if there were any men present at the time or not.

Then I think of how there is a no shorts rule on the men for our softball team. I think of the guilt that consumes me when I wish to wear shorts to mow the yard. How I feel the necessity to remain secretive in sending my 3yr old to school in shorts for outside play. Pants in the winter.

Preacher man, don't you think for a second that your so-called dress codes are anymore modest than the things I refrain from. Refrain from not because I believe them but because I want to be used.

I feel a lot of times I am amoungst hipocrites.

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54183)

I know you are trying to be funny, but that is just asinine. Are we so carnally minded that we have to dress in such a way as to reveal our sexuality to other members...even married ones?

Originally Posted by TRIPLE E (Post 54195)

Holiness starts with our attitudes,if you go hunting for faults you will be sure to find them.If you find things are not consistant with what your pastor teaches why don't you go to them in private and talk about it ,it may get you further than whining about them on an internet forum!

Originally Posted by TRIPLE E (Post 54195)

Holiness starts with our attitudes,if you go hunting for faults you will be sure to find them.If you find things are not consistant with what your pastor teaches why don't you go to them in private and talk about it ,it may get you further than whining about them on an internet forum!

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54164)

Right....yep those girls aren't pants...no ungodly pants on them...nope. They are wearing skirts just like they were told...skirts or dresses...yup. But they be TIGHT. They are sensual. I see a lot of the younger girls wearing tight tops too with tight skirts that leave little to the imagination anymore.

What's more important...not wearing that which "pertaineth to a man" or dressing modestly?

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 54231)

Both are important.

Duh.

Originally Posted by Kutless (Post 53964)

Went to a wonderful fellowship last night. Lots of food and lots of laughs. One of the things that makes serving the Lord so awesome.

I began to look around at "us" and recall how we are quite the braggerts when it comes to separation. At times it almost becomes a prejudice as we look down on people who cannot afford the more "in style" modest dress.

I then began to look at those that held position at church and began to realize how foolish my thinking is. The bottum line is modesty and we must make a clear evaluation of what that is.

One gentlemen had on some stone washed jeans so tight I said a quiet prayer for his nether region. OUCH! His shirt sleeves were tight as to show tattoos of wizards, past relationships, etc. etc.

Another, in the middle of a casual setting, sported his expensive high fashion dress shoes, very gaudy and decrative. Name brand shirt and slacks very evident.

Then we look at the female examples of modesty. We had two or three playing ball in the yard with very revealing form fitting t-shirts. We had some young teenagers with skirts climbing monkey bars, sliding down slides,etc.

The most appalling of the evening was the youth pastors wife. Her clothes could not have been any tighter. Form fitting jean skirt barely covered the knees. My wife told me later that evening she helped her get some things in the kitchen and when she bent over her shirt crawled up her back halfway. I don't know if there were any men present at the time or not.

Then I think of how there is a no shorts rule on the men for our softball team. I think of the guilt that consumes me when I wish to wear shorts to mow the yard. How I feel the necessity to remain secretive in sending my 3yr old to school in shorts for outside play. Pants in the winter.

Preacher man, don't you think for a second that your so-called dress codes are anymore modest than the things I refrain from. Refrain from not because I believe them but because I want to be used.

I feel a lot of times I am amoungst hipocrites.

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 54209)

I think someone is trying to be UGLY to somebody that needs a friend and wants answers. No reason to go and tell someone they are "whining" on an "internet forum" when you are now - WHINING ON THE SAME INTERNET FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 54193)

This struck me as absolutely HALARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :slaphappy :slaphappy

Caught you looking didn't we - you told on yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :couch

God knows - you would not want to REVEAL your sexuality to people - they might find out if your a guy or a girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by MrsMcD (Post 54203)

Sorry Praxeas, I saw your post to AB and thought Oh No, I messed up.

I don't think anyone should dress to reveal sexuality. Whether you are male, female, young, old, married, etc. it isn't Godly and there is no excuse for it.

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54280)

See this is what I mean...and all you do is complain about how you get insulted by someone...honestly you set yourself up for it most of the time with asinine comments like this.

Second of all there is a vast difference between looking feminine or masculine and looking sexual or sensual...You remember Adam and Eve right? God COVERED their nakedness. I have a problem with UCs but I have an equal problem with Libs that have no problem with men and women being carnal and sensual when we are to be practicing spirituality.

you CAN look feminine withOUT looking like you are just a dog in heat inviting every male dog around to come and get it.

Same with men. They can look like men without wearing tight clothing.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 54231)

Both are important.

Duh.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 54088)

Originally Posted by Sister Truth Seeker (Post 54243)

Amen!!! Pharisees is the word I am hearing more and more...I am searching for so much more...I am so tired of the depression, the oppression...the RULES that mean nothing...this life is about God...and I want a pure, clean truth relationship with HIM.... and that is what I am doing.....seeking Him, and not to please the pastor or others...but God...only HIS approval! I am steeped in His word, and calling out to me in prayer...He ISSS my everything!

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54280)

See this is what I mean...and all you do is complain about how you get insulted by someone...honestly you set yourself up for it most of the time with asinine comments like this.

Second of all there is a vast difference between looking feminine or masculine and looking sexual or sensual...You remember Adam and Eve right? God COVERED their nakedness. I have a problem with UCs but I have an equal problem with Libs that have no problem with men and women being carnal and sensual when we are to be practicing spirituality.

you CAN look feminine withOUT looking like you are just a dog in heat inviting every male dog around to come and get it.

Same with men. They can look like men without wearing tight clothing.

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 54296)

Did you know that just today - you have used the word "asinine" twice on here? :slaphappy

I believe a Man should dress like a Man and a Woman should dress like a Woman - That is what I have been taught and I am sticking with it!!!!!!! :amen

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54290)

See we don't need more rules. We need principles and convictions. We need true Holiness...something that seems to be lost on many including those that claim to be Liberals and those that claim to be Conservtives

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 54296)

Did you know that just today - you have used the word "asinine" twice on here? :slaphappy

I believe a Man should dress like a Man and a Woman should dress like a Woman - That is what I have been taught and I am sticking with it!!!!!!! :amen

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 54313)

Anyone can crucify me if they care to, but I honestly can't remember the last "clothesline" sermon I preached. To some, I know they think that statement is from a backslidden minister. But I honestly don't care and I'm saying that arrogantly or flippantly.

How many more "dimensions" are we going to have to give people before they will be truly HOLY? Not only do we have to give them lengths of skits, sleeves etc, now we have to give them "tightness" dimensions! How in the world is THAT going to be legislated?

I understand the venting and I understand the concern from those who really think that is important. I don't think it's important and I don't apologize for it. I certainly understand why, to some, this is a core issue. However, I can tell you, from my side of the UPCI, of both being in and out of it, how thankful I am that I can focus on far more important things than how people dress.

And before any begin to think about how much immorality must be in our church folk's lives, I'll tell you that I RARELY have to deal with it in people's lives who are saved because it just rarely happens. I preach about moral purity and marital faithfulness, and yes, even mention modesty. I have found that most people are smart enough to know what modesty is without me having to give them dimensions.

I know, coming from someone who wears shorts in public, that must by a hypocritical statement to you. So be it. But we are seeing lives changed and touched by the power of God!

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 54298)

It's becoming a favorite word .... and mockery is a closed second.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 54316)

You are not suggesting people are facing a lot bigger problems than what should I wear this morning??? Are you??? ... or that you are ministering to those GLARING needs???

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54321)

So are you saying you don't agree? That men and women should be allowed to dress any way they choose to reveal their sexual nature...not their gender, so as to be carnally enticing to other members?

And if you agree with me then I have to ask why can't we agree together on this topic? Unless you just think it's not important enough, then I have to ask why are you here if for no other reason than to cause trouble? I ask the same thing of AB.

The trend of this forum is getting more and more disturbing that we can't discuss the church in all seriousness without resorting to mocking someone else's opinion and being cavalier about everything.

Does it bother you when you find out that young men and women in the church are fornicating? Just curious.....is that a serious thing or is it no big deal?

It just seems to me that much of "The church" has really given up..they talk about "gifts" and "winning souls"...but the big battles they have not only given up on. It's a battle to talk about Holy living and Holy dress already living in this world we do without people who claim to be brothers being stumbling blocks to the gravity of that situation

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 54313)

Anyone can crucify me if they care to, but I honestly can't remember the last "clothesline" sermon I preached. To some, I know they think that statement is from a backslidden minister. But I honestly don't care and I'm NOT saying that arrogantly or flippantly.

How many more "dimensions" are we going to have to give people before they will be truly HOLY? Not only do we have to give them lengths of skirts, sleeves etc, now we have to give them "tightness" dimensions! How in the world is THAT going to be legislated?

I understand the venting and I understand the concern from those who really think that is important. I don't think it's important and I don't apologize for it. I certainly understand why, to some, this is a core issue. However, I can tell you, from my side of the UPCI, of both being in and out of it, how thankful I am that I can focus on far more important things than how people dress.

And before any begin to think about how much immorality must be in our church folk's lives, I'll tell you that I RARELY have to deal with it in people's lives who are saved because it just rarely happens. I preach about moral purity and marital faithfulness, and yes, even mention modesty. I have found that most people are smart enough to know what modesty is without me having to give them dimensions.

I know, coming from someone who wears shorts in public, that must by a hypocritical statement to you. So be it. But we are seeing lives changed and touched by the power of God!

Originally Posted by Ronzo (Post 54005)

Sis... honestly, that thought definitely occured to me as well.

*puffs chest*
I thank God, I am not alone in my superior discernment

*exhales violently*cough*hack*wheeze*gasp*

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 54324)

1. NO

2. NO

I hope this helps! :friend

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54309)

Should godly Christian men and women, who are spiritual not carnal, be dressing like prostitutes and gigolos in your opinion? Are you fine with Christian men and women dressing in such a way as to be sexually enticing to the opposite sex.

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 54056)

Well, in that case...cool! You should have it done on one of those Discovery channel Health shows...that way the cost is probably covered, and we can all observe the surgery. :coffee2

Okay, maybe that would be a little too much exposure....even for a liberal. :D

Seriously...it is rather discouraging when you lose weight and your skin doesn't pop right back to where it should. :nah

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 54231)

Both are important.

Duh.

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54286)

See....I see NOT wearing that which pertains to a man BEING modest. Modesty includes not dressing like a man and as well as not dressing like a tramp

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 54353)

If not dressing like a man equates to modesty, pray tell what do you wear???


:D

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 54341)

There is NO way possible that young men and women can dress in a way that it NOT sexually enticing. The reason for that is "happy hormones!"

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54450)

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54443)

Again the vowels...notice the vowels asinine

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54450)

That is pure baloney. That's as "asinine" as saying "there is no possible way that young christian men and women are not going to fornicate"

Believe it or not...well obviously you won't, but there ARE young men and women that do NOT dress sexually enticing...maybe the reason for that is a Holy dose of the Holy Ghost?

ASININE! ASININE!
ASININE!

Anyone keeping count? :ignore

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 54481)

Watch yer language!

:D

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 54480)