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EA 10-22-2009 03:05 PM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward Anglin (Post 820475)
Watch how many times something bad happens to someone and we Americans say "you deserve better."

Extreme Home Makeover is full of hard-luck stories of people who supposedly "deserve" a new house because tragedy befell them.

Deserve?

Really?

How stupid is that?

Finances are emotionless. The balance sheet doesn't care what your excuse is. Bad decisions lead to bad lives. Good decisions lead to better lives.

None of us "deserve" anything simply because we are American. None of us "deserve" what our neighbor has.

Get your butt to work. Quit whining about what everybody else has. Stop envying.

Sheesh.
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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 820478)
I agree everyone should work, but most on EHM are working - there usually is other hardships that befall them.
You missed my point. The idea that they "deserve" something is stupid.

Digging4Truth 10-22-2009 03:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 820482)
What does dancing have to do with anything? :ursofunny

I could can, but I don't have a garden. I'll just buy up extra canned food from the store.
Not when your dollar is no longer worth the paper it is printed on. :)

Praxeas 10-22-2009 03:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward Anglin (Post 820468)
I did not vote for Obama, I voted for Bush...twice.

But Bush was a joke of a president. He is the worst Republican president in history.

The situation we are in is bigger than two-party politics. In fact, I see very little difference between the donkeys and elephants nowadays. The republicans seem to want a little less of anything the dems want.

A little less abortion, a little less spending, a little less environmentalistic frenzy, a little less government control....yada, yada, yada.

This situation was conceived in the idea that we Americans "deserve" certain things.

That we deserve the newest cars, a second home, multiple credit cards and name brand everything. This attitude infects us to the core. It has poisoned the very heart of our government.

For gosh sake, what was GW's advice to American's after 911? What did he think would defeat terrorism? Spend! Spending!

You were unpatriotic if you weren't spending.
I voted for GW because I thought he was the lessor of two evils...Study the fall of Rome and no matter which vision you read about how they fell, you will see America.

Corruption in politics...check
Immoral society...check
Invading foreigners...check

In fact it's funny that one of Rome's down-falls was that they took in a poor neighbor as cheap labor and they eventually rose up against the Romans.

Rome was enthralled with the warrior mentality too. They loved their wars. They loved their war games...they loved their violence.

They were a pagan society driven by non-Christian ideals.

The worshiped men as gods. They idolized men.

rgcraig 10-22-2009 03:08 PM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 820484)
Not when your dollar is no longer worth the paper it is printed on. :)
True.

missourimary 10-22-2009 03:12 PM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 820426)
...There are lots of things that a person can do to become self sufficient but the main thing is this... I used to use my wealth to obtain more debt and, therefore, new & cool stuff.

I now use my wealth to decrease my dependency upon and my need for additional wealth. I feel this is wise for me and I walk according to that wisdom.
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 820441)
You know everytime we have a tornado or hurricane or something I always think that it would be a good idea to have a was to be self-sufficient.
:thumbsup

Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 820433)
But, what can a single woman like me do?

I can't hunt.
RGC I'm single too. There are things we can do, no matter where we live or whether we are single or not, that will help.
Prepare for a long term emergency.
Get a kit together with candles, coal oil lantern, oil and wicks, food, small outdoor grill that could burn wood, alternate heating source if you own a home (wood stove?), extra blankets and coats, even needles and thread... look around your house.
Leave the lights off some nights. Look for the benefits of not having phones or electricity (more rest, peace and quiet). Mental preparation.
Make note of the things that you use daily, and consider how you would manage if you didn't have access to those that rely on a system (water, plumbing, natural gas, gasoline, electricity). You don't have to do without them to consider what you would do without them. Convince yourself it wouldn't be "bad" but might be "challenging". Think of how you could benefit (better health, produce products or teach skills others would need)
Gather a few simple items that can be stored long term which would help if you couldn't access utilities, couldn't go to the store, etc.


I have canned and dry goods that I use and replace regularly. I own a home with a small yard, but have planted several fruit trees and perennial herbs that should produce most of the spring/summer. I have books on homeopathic medicine, including herbs I have in my house and yard. I maintain good health so that I can walk or bike if fuel and cars are not available.

I want an alternate power source (solar for my area) but haven't gotten there yet. I have considered buying a few acres in the country, but transportation to them if I'm not living on them is a problem, and defense of them if things get really bad and people try to steal my fruit, veggies, animals and so forth would be difficult.

Of course, I like the idea of living off the grid and living creatively. I've joked with my parents (also concerned) and told them if this really happens, I don't know what they plan to do, but I plan to move in with them!

rgcraig 10-22-2009 03:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by missourimary (Post 820492)
:thumbsup



RGC I'm single too. There are things we can do, no matter where we live or whether we are single or not, that will help.
Prepare for a long term emergency.
Get a kit together with candles, coal oil lantern, oil and wicks, food, small outdoor grill that could burn wood, alternate heating source if you own a home (wood stove?), extra blankets and coats, even needles and thread... look around your house.
Leave the lights off some nights. Look for the benefits of not having phones or electricity (more rest, peace and quiet). Mental preparation.
Make note of the things that you use daily, and consider how you would manage if you didn't have access to those that rely on a system (water, plumbing, natural gas, gasoline, electricity). You don't have to do without them to consider what you would do without them. Convince yourself it wouldn't be "bad" but might be "fun".
Gather a few simple items that can be stored long term which would help if you couldn't access utilities, couldn't go to the store, etc.


I have canned and dry goods that I use and replace regularly. I own a home with a small yard, but have planted several fruit trees and perennial herbs that should produce most of the spring/summer. I have books on homeopathic medicine, including herbs I have in my house and yard. I maintain good health so that I can walk or bike if fuel and cars are not available.

I want an alternate power source (solar for my area) but haven't gotten there yet. I have considered buying a few acres in the country, but transportation to them if I'm not living on them is a problem, and defense of them if things get really bad and people try to steal my fruit, veggies, animals and so forth would be difficult.

Of course, I like the idea of living off the grid and living creatively. I've joked with my parents (also concerned) and told them if this really happens, I don't know what they plan to do, but I plan to move in with them!
:ursofunny Thanks!

Digging4Truth 10-22-2009 03:21 PM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by missourimary (Post 820492)
:thumbsup



RGC I'm single too. There are things we can do, no matter where we live or whether we are single or not, that will help.
Prepare for a long term emergency.
Get a kit together with candles, coal oil lantern, oil and wicks, food, small outdoor grill that could burn wood, alternate heating source if you own a home (wood stove?), extra blankets and coats, even needles and thread... look around your house.
Leave the lights off some nights. Look for the benefits of not having phones or electricity (more rest, peace and quiet). Mental preparation.
Make note of the things that you use daily, and consider how you would manage if you didn't have access to those that rely on a system (water, plumbing, natural gas, gasoline, electricity). You don't have to do without them to consider what you would do without them. Convince yourself it wouldn't be "bad" but might be "challenging". Think of how you could benefit (better health, produce products or teach skills others would need)
Gather a few simple items that can be stored long term which would help if you couldn't access utilities, couldn't go to the store, etc.


I have canned and dry goods that I use and replace regularly. I own a home with a small yard, but have planted several fruit trees and perennial herbs that should produce most of the spring/summer. I have books on homeopathic medicine, including herbs I have in my house and yard. I maintain good health so that I can walk or bike if fuel and cars are not available.

I want an alternate power source (solar for my area) but haven't gotten there yet. I have considered buying a few acres in the country, but transportation to them if I'm not living on them is a problem, and defense of them if things get really bad and people try to steal my fruit, veggies, animals and so forth would be difficult.

Of course, I like the idea of living off the grid and living creatively. I've joked with my parents (also concerned) and told them if this really happens, I don't know what they plan to do, but I plan to move in with them!
MM... I know that the closing of this post if probably a little in jest and a little serious as a heart attack. LOL...

But there are some good things to come from a financial hardship and one of those things is family coming back together.

Families used to live nearby one another and even several generations no the same land. This was necessary for survival but with affluence this fades away. We no longer "need" one another in that manner.

There will be many families coming back together in a situation like this.

Not all things that come from financial failure are negative.

rgcraig 10-22-2009 03:22 PM
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I just received this - thought it was appropriate for this thread.

One day , the father of a very wealthy family took his son on a trip to the country with the express purpose of showing him how poor people live.

They spent a couple of days and nights on the farm of what would be considered a very poor family.

On their return from their trip, the father asked his son, "How was the trip?"
"It was great , Dad."

"Did you see how poor people live?" the father asked.

"Oh yeah, " said the son.

"So , tell me, what did you learn from the trip?" asked the father.

The son answered:

"I saw that we have one dog and they had four.

We have a pool that reaches to the middle of our garden and they have a creek that has no end.

We have imported lanterns in our garden and they have the stars at night.

Our patio reaches to the front yard and they have the whole horizon.

We have a small piece of land to live on and they have fields that go beyond our sight.

We have servants who serve us, but they serve others.

We buy our food, but they grow theirs..

We have walls around our property to protect us, they have friends to protect them."

The boy's father was speechless.

Then his son added, "Thanks Dad for showing me how poor we are."

Isn't perspective a wonderful thing? Makes you wonder what would happen if we all gave thanks for everything we have, instead of worrying about what we don't have.

Digging4Truth 10-22-2009 03:27 PM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 820503)
Isn't perspective a wonderful thing? Makes you wonder what would happen if we all gave thanks for everything we have, instead of worrying about what we don't have.
It certainly is.

That is what this is all about for me.

This is all about recentering my priorities. This is all about realizing that I have had my focus in the wrong areas. This is about coming home to the things that really matter and, with all that is in me, leaving behind a life that runs me ragged and gives me nothing.

Thanks for sharing that Renda.

I was just saying to someone... You know... you never see a movie about a person who was raised in the country and then finds themselves being forced into the city and then, when they find that it is time to return to the country, suddenly has second thoughts because they unexpectedly found everything they ever wanted in the city.

They don't make movies like that because that isn't the way it is.

Simplicity is King.

As far as the path I am traveling... I can honestly say that, if I found out tomorrow that the entire economy was turning around and all was going to be well, I wouldn't change my path.

This is what I want... rain or shine.

missourimary 10-22-2009 03:34 PM
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D4T, RGC,

very true. Survivors have always looked for the positive or the possibilities in their situations, rather than the problems. We would do well to look for the possibilities and the positives and remain flexible. It could be bad, it could be worse. Something will happen, but I will prepare the best I can and trust God for the rest.

Good things about the economic crisis:
Obama's approval rating has dropped enormously and the media is no longer 100% behind him. (:heeheehee)
(sorry, couldn't resist that one)
Improved health:
More exercise
Need to eat healthier foods (they are less expensive and more affordable and accessible in crisis)
Loss of extra weight!

Improved budgeting:
Increased debt awareness
Paid off debt
Re-analysis of what is necessary and what is fluff in life

Waste reduction:
Less waste, more saving
More recycling

Mental improvement:
Less distraction
More sleep (no lights at night to keep you up)
Less busy-ness
More time for prayer and more fulfilling work (hands on work that gives you personal results is VERY fulfilling)

Digging4Truth 10-22-2009 03:36 PM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by missourimary (Post 820510)
D4T, RGC,

very true. Survivors have always looked for the positive or the possibilities in their situations, rather than the problems. We would do well to look for the possibilities and the positives and remain flexible. It could be bad, it could be worse. Something will happen, but I will prepare the best I can and trust God for the rest.

Good things about the economic crisis:
Obama's approval rating has dropped enormously and the media is no longer 100% behind him. (:heeheehee)
(sorry, couldn't resist that one)
Improved health:
More exercise
Need to eat healthier foods (they are less expensive and more affordable and accessible in crisis)
Loss of extra weight!

Improved budgeting:
Increased debt awareness
Paid off debt
Re-analysis of what is necessary and what is fluff in life

Waste reduction:
Less waste, more saving
More recycling

Mental improvement:
Less distraction
More sleep (no lights at night to keep you up)
Less busy-ness
More time for prayer and more fulfilling work (hands on work that gives you personal results is VERY fulfilling)
Many true statements....

*AQuietPlace* 10-22-2009 03:56 PM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 820377)
AQP, look at it this way.

We have a fiat economy. What that means is the actual value of the dollar bills you carry is based on the perceived value of the American economy as a whole.

Now when the American economy dominates the world, that dollar buys a whole lot of stuff. It does so because everyone wants it. where their economies are unstable ours is stable and thus the reason they want our dollars.

Now consider the value of anything is based on how many people want it, vs how many of the objects there are available.

If you are the only apple farmer in the world and you produce a very tasty fruit, the whole world wants your apples and you can simply "sell to the highest bidder". people with lots to offer you get apples while those with nothing eat pears.

Now if somehow, some folk learn how to grow apples and their apples taste as good as yours then there are now more people with apples to sell, there are more apples and now, there are more bidders that can win apples.

Your apples lost value because there are more apples out there....BUT

What if instead of more apples being out there, the pear farmers figure out that if they can get people to hate apples, then more people will want pears?

Let’s say for some reason that apples start making people really really sick. Now nobody wants your apples. You may have the only apples on the world but if nobody wants your apples they have no value.

The American economy is seeing both of these things happen. Other nations like China and Europe have stable and valuable currency. some people want theirs now to go with ours.... that makes ours less valuable because the market place now has options (more apples from other growers)

At the same time, our economy is NOT stable and our government policy is making it less stable. That means fewer people want our currency. The value of our dollars has dropped because fewer people want to take our dollars for their goods…..


That is called inflation. All the sudden now instead of a dollar to buy bread, it takes more dollars, not because bread is more valuable but because the dollar is less valuable.

Your question was how bad. Consider history. In Germany, before WW2 it got to the point that bread cost $50,000 marks… Then in desperation the people turned to a charismatic figure who told them he had a plan to get them out of the economic mess.

That man was Hitler. Desperate people will do anything to feed their kids. They will even elect a Hitler. And march off to war and commit unspeakable horror.

I don’t mean to be beyond the pale here, but the answer to “how bad can it get” can only be answered with “How bad has it gotten before”?

That answer is pretty scary.
Thanks, Ferd, great explanation.

Ferd 10-22-2009 04:23 PM
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I should balance a bit.

Sunday morning I preached a sermon about the contrast between Spiritual Christians and Carnal ones.

None of us are immune from the flesh and from seeing things with natural eyes. But we are not of this world and this world is not our home.

We have a duty to view all things at all times with "spiritual vision"

In the end, regardless of what comes, we are commanded to TRUST GOD. God is our answer. He says that fear is not of Him.

So all the talk all the consideration and preperation one can do, and should do, pales in comparison to the most important thing a child of God can do, and that is to trust God in all things.

Pressing-On 10-22-2009 04:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 820372)
Matthew 6:30-34

30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 820410)
:whistle
I saw your post, Timmy. When I was reading this thread the Lord brought this song to my mind:

Think about His love
Think about His goodness
Think about His grace that brought us through
For as high as the heavens above
So great is the measure of our Father's love
So great is the measure of our Father's love :sing

Digging4Truth 10-22-2009 04:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 820527)
I saw your post, Timmy. When I was reading this thread the Lord brought this song to my mind:

Think about His love
Think about His goodness
Think about His grace that brought us through
For as high as the heavens above
So great is the measure of our Father's love
So great is the measure of our Father's love :sing
Yep... I saw his post too. But he doesn't make any statement as to what he is trying to say so I'm not sure what to say back.

Timmy 10-22-2009 04:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 820529)
Yep... I saw his post too. But he doesn't make any statement as to what he is trying to say so I'm not sure what to say back.
Oh, I was just quoting scripture that doesn't seem to have any relevance to the thread at all. Don't mind me! :lol

Digging4Truth 10-22-2009 04:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 820531)
Oh, I was just quoting scripture that doesn't seem to have any relevance to the thread at all. Don't mind me! :lol
Actually it is very relevant. I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on its application to this discussion?

Pressing-On 10-22-2009 04:36 PM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 820529)
Yep... I saw his post too. But he doesn't make any statement as to what he is trying to say so I'm not sure what to say back.
LOL! Yea, I couldn't exactly get that scripture text either, Digging. LOL!

Dedicated Mind 10-22-2009 04:37 PM
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never fear, all we have to do is nationalize the oil industry and all our economic woes are over.

Timmy 10-22-2009 04:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 820533)
Actually it is very relevant. I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on its application to this discussion?
Welllllll, since you asked..... :lol

I was just wondering if anyone here really believes that scripture and others like it. It seems that nobody believes that Jesus meant what He said, exactly as it is written. And I agree, actually. It would be foolish to take no thought for tomorrow. I believe in buying groceries, saving money for contingencies, retirement planning, etc.

Of course, I know you guys do believe what Jesus said. (You have to.) You just need to spin it somehow, and turn it into something non-literal. Make it a general principle of some kind, like "trust God for everything -- and that would include trusting Him to give you wisdom on how to take thought for tomorrow, to make sure the morrow takes care of itself". Or something.

Digging4Truth 10-22-2009 04:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 820539)
Welllllll, since you asked..... :lol

I was just wondering if anyone here really believes that scripture and others like it. It seems that nobody believes that Jesus meant what He said, exactly as it is written. And I agree, actually. It would be foolish to take no thought for tomorrow. I believe in buying groceries, saving money for contingencies, retirement planning, etc.

Of course, I know you guys do believe what Jesus said. (You have to.) You just need to spin it somehow, and turn it into something non-literal. Make it a general principle of some kind, like "trust God for everything -- and that would include trusting Him to give you wisdom on how to take thought for tomorrow, to make sure the morrow takes care of itself". Or something.
Yes sir... I do believe the scriptures you quoted.

I also believe that we live a lifestyle that is far and above what God is speaking of in those scriptures as well.

I don't feel that God is saying... no matter how high you live I will maintain that. So what I see in it is that I have been living a lifestyle far different from any lifestyle God was speaking of in those scriptures.

I believe that God would take care of me if I lived a lifestyle where I took no care for tomorrow but one cannot live a lifestyle that takes no care for tomorrow when there are mortgages to pay and car notes to pay. One must take care for tomorrow in those cases. The choices we have made create cares that will be waiting on us when the sun rises tomorrow.

So I truly believe those scriptures are true but I also believe that they also call to a life where we owe no man and have nothing of this world tieing us down. We are not living that life.

God can provide for our every need... but few want to live a life that has no care for tomorrow because that life can't be had without mortgages, other debts & light bills.

Let me know if I have failed to explain my stance on those scriptures sufficiently.

Timmy 10-22-2009 05:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 820549)
Yes sir... I do believe the scriptures you quoted.

I also believe that we live a lifestyle that is far and above what God is speaking of in those scriptures as well.

I don't feel that God is saying... no matter how high you live I will maintain that. So what I see in it is that I have been living a lifestyle far different from any lifestyle God was speaking of in those scriptures.

I believe that God would take care of me if I lived a lifestyle where I took no care for tomorrow but one cannot live a lifestyle that takes no care for tomorrow when there are mortgages to pay and car notes to pay. One must take care for tomorrow in those cases. The choices we have made create cares that will be waiting on us when the sun rises tomorrow.

So I truly believe those scriptures are true but I also believe that they also call to a life where we owe no man and have nothing of this world tieing us down. We are not living that life.

God can provide for our every need... but few want to live a life that has no care for tomorrow because that life can't be had without mortgages, other debts & light bills.

Let me know if I have failed to explain my stance on those scriptures sufficiently.
I think I see, thanks.

Are you working toward achieving that kind of life? What would it be like, anyway? Would there be any money in a savings account? Retirement plan and/or a 401K? Would there be a garden? Livestock?

But all of that would be taking care for the morrow, wouldn't it?

Pressing-On 10-22-2009 05:04 PM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 820549)
Yes sir... I do believe the scriptures you quoted.

I also believe that we live a lifestyle that is far and above what God is speaking of in those scriptures as well.

I don't feel that God is saying... no matter how high you live I will maintain that. So what I see in it is that I have been living a lifestyle far different from any lifestyle God was speaking of in those scriptures.

I believe that God would take care of me if I lived a lifestyle where I took no care for tomorrow but one cannot live a lifestyle that takes no care for tomorrow when there are mortgages to pay and car notes to pay. One must take care for tomorrow in those cases. The choices we have made create cares that will be waiting on us when the sun rises tomorrow.

So I truly believe those scriptures are true but I also believe that they also call to a life where we owe no man and have nothing of this world tying us down. We are not living that life.

God can provide for our every need... but few want to live a life that has no care for tomorrow because that life can't be had without mortgages, other debts & light bills.

Let me know if I have failed to explain my stance on those scriptures sufficiently.
I agree. It's like wanting prayer for a headache when you are drinking Dr. Pepper all day. That's pretty simple. LOL!

Digging4Truth 10-22-2009 05:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 820556)
I think I see, thanks.

Are you working toward achieving that kind of life? What would it be like, anyway? Would there be any money in a savings account? Retirement plan and/or a 401K? Would there be a garden? Livestock?

But all of that would be taking care for the morrow, wouldn't it?
I am fixing to have to go and get some feed before the feed store closes so this will be my last post tonight... or at least for a few hours.

You have made me study into this and there is something about these scriptures that we would do well to notice.

This discourse begins in Chapter 5 when Jesus sets his disciples down (most of whom would be the apostles in the future) and taught them saying these things. So he was giving instruction to people who were going to be traveling from city to city... from nation to nation... taking this gospel.

Among his words to these men we find these thoughts also...

Quote:
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Mat 10:9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
Mat 10:10 Nor scrip for [your] journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
Mat 10:11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
So I think it is noteworthy to see that he is instructing people who will be traveling the world taking the Gospel. He is telling them to not worry about providing for themselves but just go and God would take care of the rest. There were no PIM's allowed for in this plan.

But, while I do feel that much that is said in this discourse contains wisdom we could all glean from, I don't think that many of the specifics were given as instructions that every single christian would find themselves compelled to live by.

For instance... I don't feel that God was telling every christian that goes to another town to go there with no money and no extra change of clothes. Your average christian going to another town might be visiting family and they need to to bring extra clothes and money etc.

I hope I am not being too confusing or appearing too evasive on this. I will explain more as you present your thoughts and what you see in what I am saying. This discourse has already taught me some new things and i look forward to learning more as we continue to volley our thoughts.

Thanks again.

Timmy 10-22-2009 05:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 820573)
I am fixing to have to go and get some feed before the feed store closes so this will be my last post tonight... or at least for a few hours.

You have made me study into this and there is something about these scriptures that we would do well to notice.

This discourse begins in Chapter 5 when Jesus sets his disciples down (most of whom would be the apostles in the future) and taught them saying these things. So he was giving instruction to people who were going to be traveling from city to city... from nation to nation... taking this gospel.

Among his words to these men we find these thoughts also...



So I think it is noteworthy to see that he is instructing people who will be traveling the world taking the Gospel. He is telling them to not worry about providing for themselves but just go and God would take care of the rest. There were no PIM's allowed for in this plan.

But, while I do feel that much that is said in this discourse contains wisdom we could all glean from, I don't think that many of the specifics were given as instructions that every single christian would find themselves compelled to live by.

For instance... I don't feel that God was telling every christian that goes to another town to go there with no money and no extra change of clothes. Your average christian going to another town might be visiting family and they need to to bring extra clothes and money etc.

I hope I am not being too confusing or appearing too evasive on this. I will explain more as you present your thoughts and what you see in what I am saying. This discourse has already taught me some new things and i look forward to learning more as we continue to volley our thoughts.

Thanks again.
Interesting thoughts. :thumbsup

Esther 10-23-2009 05:23 AM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward Anglin (Post 820317)
This is one time when being right brings absolutely no gleeful satisfaction.

It's a mess. A big, bloody mess.

It was a mess before Obama took office, and it's an even bigger mess now.

The average American has no idea what's coming.
I agree and I have been sounding this warning for some time. I know of 3 different people that do not even know each other have the same experience. Walking in a grocery store and seeing all the shelves empty. Although it was a vision they all saw the same thing.

I wish this is something we could be wrong on, I really, really do.

Esther 10-23-2009 05:26 AM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
The scripture the Lord keeps impressing on me, is the widow with the barrel of meal and oil that never ended. It was supernatural. She first of all had to step out in faith and give the last she had to the prophet, THEN God blessed her and sustained her.

Esther 10-23-2009 06:03 AM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by StMark (Post 820444)
Well, all I have to say is, the majority of you voted for Obama (except Ferd) so It's a little too late to be complaining now.

I knew people would regret it but they got caught up in all the 'change" hoopla without facing the truth of what was to come
:smack NOT SO!

Digging4Truth 10-23-2009 07:39 AM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 820898)
I agree and I have been sounding this warning for some time. I know of 3 different people that do not even know each other have the same experience. Walking in a grocery store and seeing all the shelves empty. Although it was a vision they all saw the same thing.

I wish this is something we could be wrong on, I really, really do.
Yep... isn't that something we would willingly and happily start a thread on entitled... I WAS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Digging4Truth 10-23-2009 07:40 AM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 820900)
:smack NOT SO!
Indeed... not so.

coadie 10-23-2009 08:19 AM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 820898)
I agree and I have been sounding this warning for some time. I know of 3 different people that do not even know each other have the same experience. Walking in a grocery store and seeing all the shelves empty. Although it was a vision they all saw the same thing.

I wish this is something we could be wrong on, I really, really do.
Their Joseph moment?

Joseph saw a famine and they held the crops from the good years. 7 years of famine. I didn't vote for Obama. I knew he would keep his promise and spend America into poverty. He used the word prosperity. Most knew it was poverty.

Falla39 10-23-2009 09:50 AM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 820899)
The scripture the Lord keeps impressing on me, is the widow with the barrel of meal and oil that never ended. It was supernatural. She first of all had to step out in faith and give the last she had to the prophet, THEN God blessed her and sustained her.
This same scripture came to me also, Sis. Esther!
Another passage of scripture also came to mind:

Matt. 19:27-30:
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

What have we been doing with the time allotted us here on earth.
Have we hoarded up wealth and possessions for ourselves. Have we
been a "me, me, mine, generation? Have we, like Martha been encum-
bered about many things. Those "things" may have been necessary, but
not the most important. Jesus told Martha that Mary had chosen that
good part that could not be taken away. She put HIM and HIS WORDS
FIRST. Jesus told his disciples that "the WORDS" that I speak unto you,
they are SPIRIT and they are LIFE! LIFEGIVING! Wonderful words of life!
IF our bellies were NOT so full, we just might become hungry for the BREAD
OF LIFE! Good eating!!

If we didn't tell the Good News of Jesus Christ to others, did we give
that others might go. Did we give that others could go, YET not tell our
neighbors and those we were in contact with daily or even our own
families and friends and loved ones. What did we do with what we had
been given! Did we receive Jesus Christ, yet not shared what HE HAD
for us and COULD DO for them.

I just reached the three score and ten years a little over a month ago.
There is still much to be done and I can (with the Spirit's leading, do
more, and will do more with what I have been given. Not speaking of
earthly possessions, but the knowledge and understanding and wisdom
of God. I know what it has meant to our family which will soon enter
into the 6th generation since the gospel truth/train came our way. I
didn't witness the first beginning when Grandma Lizzie heard that train
coming. Listened intently as it neared. She heard, listened, believed it
was true, and gladly jumped on board. Her young teenaged son, my late
father, boarded this train along with his mother. Mom joined them during
this time and in 1937, Dad and Mom traveled together for over 52 yrs.

Many of our family have been on the gospel train to glory for years. One
by one we will get off at our destination as the Master Conductor calls us,
when we have finished our journey. As some reach their journey's end,
others will be being prepared to get on board and began their journey.
Some may hesitate to get on board at first, but by and by as they mature,
prayfully, they will see the necessity of boarding this glory bound train.

Jesus said that in this life there would be tribulation, BUT be of good cheer,
HE HAD overcome the world. (and they could too). With the same Spirit that
was IN HIM, we could have life more abundantly. It didn't mean material
things like silver and gold that would become tarnished, etc.

The kingdom of God is NOT meat and drink, BUT righteousness, peace and
joy in the HOLY GHOST! IF we believe in Him we will not perish. Doesn't mean
just saying I believe, but presenting our bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and
acceptable unto God which is our reasonable service.

And be NOT weary in well doing,for in due season you shall reap If you faint
not.

If you think this has nothing to do with the subject of this thread, read again,
REAL SLOWLY. If JESUS has been your co-Conductor, trade places NOW!

Blessings on all,

Falla39

Digging4Truth 10-23-2009 09:55 AM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 820948)
This same scripture came to me also, Sis. Esther!
Another passage of scripture also came to mind:

Matt. 19:27-30:
27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

What have we been doing with the time allotted us here on earth.
Have we hoarded up wealth and possessions for ourselves. Have we
been a "me, me, mine, generation? Have we, like Martha been encum-
bered about many things. Those "things" may have been necessary, but
not the most important. Jesus told Martha that Mary had chosen that
good part that could not be taken away. She put HIM and HIS WORDS
FIRST. Jesus told his disciples that "the WORDS" that I speak unto you,
they are SPIRIT and they are LIFE! LIFEGIVING! Wonderful words of life!
IF our bellies were so full, we just might become hungry for the BREAD
OF LIFE! Good eating!!

If we didn't tell the Good News of Jesus Christ to others, did we give
that others might go. Did we give that others could go, YET not tell our
neighbors and those we were in contact with daily or even our own
families and friends and loved ones. What did we do with what we had
been given! Did we receive Jesus Christ, yet not shared what HE HAD
for us and COULD DO for them.

I just reached the three score and ten years a little over a month ago.
There is still much to be done and I can (with the Spirit's leading, do
more, and will do more with what I have been given. Not speaking of
earthly possessions, but the knowledge and understanding and wisdom
of God. I know what it has meant to our family which will soon enter
into the 6th generation since the gospel truth/train came our way. I
didn't witness the first beginning when Grandma Lizzie heard that train
coming. Listened intently as it neared. She heard, listened, believed it
was true, and gladly jumped on board. Her young teenaged son, my late
father, boarded this train along with his mother. Mom joined them during
this time and in 1937, Dad and Mom traveled together for over 52 yrs.

Many of our family have been on the gospel train to glory for years. One
by one we will get off at our destination as the Master Conductor calls us,
when we have finished our journey. As some reach their journey's end,
others will be being prepared to get on board and began their journey.
Some may hesitate to get on board at first, but by and by as they mature,
prayfully, they will see the necessity of boarding this glory bound train.

Jesus said that in this life there would be tribulation, BUT be of good cheer,
HE HAD overcome the world. (and they could too). With the same Spirit that
was IN HIM, we could have life more abundantly. It didn't mean material
things like silver and gold that would become tarnished, etc.

The kingdom of God is NOT meat and drink, BUT righteousness, peace and
joy in the HOLY GHOST! IF we believe in Him we will not perish. Doesn't mean
just saying I believe, but presenting our bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and
acceptable unto God which is our reasonable service.

And be NOT weary in well doing,for in due season you shall reap If you faint
not.

If you think this has nothing to do with the subject of this thread, read again,
REAL SLOWLY. If JESUS has been your co-Conductor, trade places NOW!

Blessings on all,

Falla39
Yes ma'am...

When we break ourselves free from the financial chains that this life demands of us our time is freed to minister. Our funds are freed to bless others with. We are freed to be more for Him and to them.

missourimary 10-23-2009 10:29 AM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
I have heard quite a bit about prosperity from my brothers and sisters in the last years. They are "blessed" with a new house (and huge mortgage), they are "blessed" with new cars (and car payments and insurance hikes when the old cars ran fine), they are "blessed" with more clothes than they count, all bought on credit, for which they need more closet space and a larger house.

They have tried to encourage me in my little house with a little yard and my used clothes and old car that "God will supply all our needs..." I have begun answering, that, yes, He does. But what I need and what I want are two very different things. (I don't want their debt, though!)

Really, what do we need? Physically, food, shelter, and clothes. Do we have those? We have much more than we realize.

Digging4Truth 10-23-2009 10:36 AM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by missourimary (Post 820975)
I have heard quite a bit about prosperity from my brothers and sisters in the last years. They are "blessed" with a new house (and huge mortgage), they are "blessed" with new cars (and car payments and insurance hikes when the old cars ran fine), they are "blessed" with more clothes than they count, all bought on credit, for which they need more closet space and a larger house.

They have tried to encourage me in my little house with a little yard and my used clothes and old car that "God will supply all our needs..." I have begun answering, that, yes, He does. But what I need and what I want are two very different things. (I don't want their debt, though!)

Really, what do we need? Physically, food, shelter, and clothes. Do we have those? We have much more than we realize.
Amen and amen.

So very true. I talk to my kids about these things. I tell them that it always seems that we humans refuse to learn our lessons from others. We have to trial and error it ourselves. But if they can learn from the mistakes I have made and pass up the try it and find out dad was right anyway phase they can really make some good time.

If I had known then what I know now how much farther along would I be?

Timmy 10-23-2009 10:55 AM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by missourimary (Post 820975)
I have heard quite a bit about prosperity from my brothers and sisters in the last years. They are "blessed" with a new house (and huge mortgage), they are "blessed" with new cars (and car payments and insurance hikes when the old cars ran fine), they are "blessed" with more clothes than they count, all bought on credit, for which they need more closet space and a larger house.

They have tried to encourage me in my little house with a little yard and my used clothes and old car that "God will supply all our needs..." I have begun answering, that, yes, He does. But what I need and what I want are two very different things. (I don't want their debt, though!)

Really, what do we need? Physically, food, shelter, and clothes. Do we have those? We have much more than we realize.
Good point.

I heard someone tell the story of how God "gave" them their house. Funny word to use, though, considering that they had to pay for this gift, themselves. Actually still are, with the mortgage. And this gift cost them a big pile of money in repairs a few years later, when the foundation settled and cracked.

Digging4Truth 10-23-2009 11:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 820996)
Good point.

I heard someone tell the story of how God "gave" them their house. Funny word to use, though, considering that they had to pay for this gift, themselves. Actually still are, with the mortgage. And this gift cost them a big pile of money in repairs a few years later, when the foundation settled and cracked.
Yes sir... I believe we blame more on God & the devil than either of them would care to take credit for. Unless we consider the concept that our god is our bellies... in other words... our god is our desires and what we want.

Falla39 10-23-2009 11:36 AM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 820953)
Yes ma'am...

When we break ourselves free from the financial chains that this life demands of us our time is freed to minister. Our funds are freed to bless others with. We are freed to be more for Him and to them.


Amen!!! I am much older than most on the forum. and many of you
are many miles behind me, so I am just trying to encourage those of
you coming along behind. THERE is HOPE in thine end!!

My late grandmother Lizzie and her husband made it through the
Great Depression of the late 20's and early 30's. I have wondered
if the circumstances of those days of difficultly could have had a
part in her being willing to follow the Lord in truth she had not known
before. When people get hungry, they get willing. Physically and
spiritually. Willing to do His Will!

My late parents went through WWII, him serving overseas in Japan
and in the Philippeans, He had 4 small children and a loving wife at
home in the states. He not only trusted his own soul and life, but the
lives of his family back home. God didn't fail him or them and I am what
I am today, partially because of not only hearing of God's provision and
protection, BUT seeing it lived out after Dad came home. He came home
and he and Mom raised eleven children to adulthood, all graduating from
high school and several with higher education. All received the Holy Ghost
and were baptized in Jesus Name. All are still living except one who went
to join Dad and Mom in 2007.
Dad and Mom believed there wasn't anything God couldn't and wouldn't
do if we just believed and dared to trust HIM. I believe they same! HE
did not fail or let those who have gone before me down. He will not let me
and mine down. He will not let us down in dark time IF we look to Him and
ALLOW Him to direct our lives. The dark times just makes the "LIGHT" shine
that much brighter, in and through us!

So today, I can BOLDLY say, "The LORD IS MY HEPER! I will not fear
what man can do to me." GOD SHALL SUPPLY ALL my NEEDS according to
HIS RICHES in glory, by Christ Jesus!
Yes, God intends for us to provide for our own and HE will help us do
that while trusting and working with HIM!!

Psalms 118:5-9
I called upon the Lord in distress: The lord answered me, and set me in a
large place.
The LORD is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?
The LORD taketh my part with them that help me: therefore shall I see my desire upon them that hate me.
It is better to truust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.
It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.

Heb.13:5,6
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

Blessings

Falla39

Ferd 10-23-2009 12:07 PM
Re: An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 820898)
I agree and I have been sounding this warning for some time. I know of 3 different people that do not even know each other have the same experience. Walking in a grocery store and seeing all the shelves empty. Although it was a vision they all saw the same thing.

I wish this is something we could be wrong on, I really, really do.
Esther, with due respect, you have provided a number of "date certain" "Prophesies" that have come and gone with evidence of fullfillment.


Please dont think that any future collapse is a fullfillment of such. If we lived in the OT your 3 friends would already be stoned to death as false prophets.

Falla39 10-23-2009 12:14 PM
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[QUOTE=Digging4Truth;820981]Amen and amen.

So very true. I talk to my kids about these things. I tell them that it always seems that we humans refuse to learn our lessons from others. We have to trial and error it ourselves. But if they can learn from the mistakes I have made and pass up the try it and find out dad was right anyway phase they can really make some good time.

If I had known then what I know now how much farther along would I be?[/QUOTE]


Brother, don't look back now. Let those who are behind you watch you
as you go FORWARD, ONWARD and UPWARD with WHAT YOU KNOW NOW!!
If you look back, they may look back too, to see where you are looking!
If you go forward, even though for a while they just watch, they will in time,
and realize what you have learned and KNOW NOW!! Get it! As they get up
closer to where you are now, they will be able to see it too!:heart (An infant
can not focus or see very far either!) How can we expect them to see ALL we see
when we are so much further down the path of life!

No wonder Paul said...

Phil. 3 12,13
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Blessings,

Falla39


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