I thank God I speak in tongues more THAN YOU. :bubble

What did you just say? Something about a earnest Ghost????

Look we are very finite at best and God is very infinite at the least. To say we got it all right and straight....stretching it there. We receive the promise when we receive the HG. The HG is essential to living a Christ Life, but you can not say that it takes it to get into heaven. NO one but God is God. He says who enters. No I....

I can agree with that!!! You speak more gibberish than anyone I know!!



hehehehehehehe!!!

So basically you & Jtull defend those who have left the Oneness Doctrine to Promote Trintarism and it's salvation message of repentance only... and maybe get to speak in tongues later if that's your gift...

I see..

Just asking you

True.. but will he contradict his own Word?

Where is your time found to speak in tongues more than us all, with a join date of Feb07 & 6,012 post?

An endowment of God's power ... to be witnesses ....

Baptism in the Holy Spirit is the specific event that introduces the believer to the ongoing process of living a Spirit-empowered life. Although speaking in tongues is the outward sign of Spirit baptism, it is designed by God to be much more than evidence. Paul tells us its a sign to the unbeliever. Subsequent speaking in tongues brings enrichment to the individual believer when employed in private prayer (1 Corinthians 14:4) and to the congregation when accompanied by the interpretation (1 Corinthians 14:6,25).

Sure I can.....If you do not have the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tonues, you will not get into heaven.

J-Tull..

The new birth experiance is plainly found in the Word of God in the New Testament... I'm sorry you can't accept it.. or see it.. as essential for our Salvation..

Sad .... perhaps you can webcast the next time you do ...???

Neither of us said we are for a Trinity doctrine. I am for the name of Jesus to be preached across the whole world. Tv is a great way to do that. As of now there is no other choice for the oneness people to be on TV unless it is TBN or Daystar.

He doesn't know what the earnest of our inheritance is, so why am I surprised he can't se it as essential.

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I never said it was not essential. Salvation is not done through an equation of steps only. To say that someone repents, baptized and received the HG is saved...That is as bad as once saved always saved.

There is no power at repentance only... the Power comes with the Infilling of the Holy Ghost.. else Peter would have preached... when asked what must we do to be saved..

"Repent of your sins and that's it... God's Spirit is in you"...

eggggggggghhhhhhhhhh... the question was what must we do???? Please don't add to the Word.

Your quibbleing because you know I am not saying that either..but your are defending someone who leaves what you believe as essential to preach or promote a different message than that of the Bible...

What does one do to receive ??? The gift of the HG is given my dear friend ....

It most definitely is Baptist doctrine. This theology would be embraced by Billy Graham, Jimmy Swaggert and all the rest of the easy-believism crowd. Combine this theology with the trinitarian leanings and it's as if nothing truly Apostolic was ever present.

You shall receive power after the HG is come on you and you shall be WITNESSES.....This is where the power completely fills you, but it starts at repentance.

True.. Typing faster than I'm thinking.. but it still stands..

What did Peter say?


You and I both know...

As long as you hold your position RevR ... anyone who thinks differently and goes on TV ... will always be selling out and cashing in .... PERSPECTIVE IS EVERYTHING ....

Only to those that obey the gospel.

Please tell me biblically how one "obeys" the gospel.

Yes he gave 2 commands and told of one promise ....

Yet in your theology ... speaking in tongues becomes a loop the must be hurdled or hell awaits ....

No.. because there are times I thought we should be.. and times I've thought we shouldn't be.. I am still a little divided about that..

others times I've thought we should have done it years ago...

You're a long way from home Daniel.

If they promote the false trinity doctrine they are.

Not really...we don't seek to speak in tongues... it's the evidence of what comes from us that we are filled with the Holy Ghost.. as you said.. it's a sign..

Amen!!

Dude.....

You are interesting. Good converstaionalist too.

I am not defending people that stop believing in what Acts 2:38 says to do in response to the Message. I am defending these people right to go on tv and do what they do.

The truth is that if the UPC was not soooooooooo against the tv thing that most of these men and women would not have left. Because they left they are suddenly written off as following another doctrine. The truth is that most that left the UPC and are on TBN still believe the same things. They may not follow a dress code, but everything else is still intact.

EGGHHHHHHHH .... wrong again most baptists are cessassionists and do not believe in the Pentecostal view of the baptism of the Holy Ghost ....

Our movement is filled w/ hundreds who believe they are not saved because they have not spoken in tongues after weeks ... months ... years of seeking ....

they go through marathon sessions with folks yelling and coaching them in their ears ... while patting them on the back ... giving them hound dog eyes and a wince ....i

f they don't receive it that night ... and must go home thinking they will be lost for eternity until it happens ... or worse .. they feel rejected and despondent and turn to sin once again ...

Dan..

The truth is the UPC abandoned you and you have abandoned them.. when in fact there was probaly fault on both sides...

all you can see when you talk about the UPC is your bitterness against it..

I'm not faulting you for what may have happened... all I'm saying is your bitterness against the UPC often comes out...

Hundreds.. I really doubt that...

You never were asked, nor defined this in this thread until now. :sshhh

I disagree with you, unless of course they never believed Apostolic doctrine to begin with.

If I believe that it takes Jesus name Baptism, and the infilling of the holy ghost to make it, and then I go on TBN and lead sinners in a "sinners prayer", and then tell them they are saved, do I really believe what I used to??

Rev ... please go throughout this thread and count how many times I've mentioned the UPC .... you will be surprised how much you are reading into my posts ....

Wrong Buckwheat. There is a big movement within the SBC that is embrasing the baptism of the Spirit. They currently believe that tongues are to be used only in private. But none-the-less they are gaining momentum.

Wrong again. We've had these discussions countless times .... actually Elder Epley almost left the forum when the topic of Jesus name baptism came up several weeks ago ... he did not like my response or that of another poster.

Have you seen this happen? Or are you going on others word? I watch TBN all the time and esspecially when any of the "ex's" are on there. I have seen them lead in the sinners prayer, for repentance. I have never seen them or heard them say now you are saved.