Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 136317)

I wish I could just take your word on this..... I need a tape. I could put it in a "care package" for visitors.... the possibilities are endless.

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 136329)

You can call Pastor James Varnum in Belleview, FL if you do not believe me. I think some of these posters have heard Brother "C" preach this type of message and would verify that I have not lied about it.

It seems every time I post something and you guys disagree - I am called a liar. It seems that way to me - maybe I am misunderstanding!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 136335)

Shucks - no offense meant here... I really think such a tape would awesome to have. I have a few stories, but this one blows mine right out of the water!:killinme

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 136337)

I was not sure if I was being accused AGAIN of not telling the truth! LOL

Are you really the Hoovers that did the Wife Swap deal? That was so neat!

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 136341)

Uh yeah - thats us. So did you watch?

Originally Posted by Lost (Post 135235)

My question is partially inspired by this post. I recently spoke with a friend of mine who walked out of a service after a guest speaker broke the one hour mark in his message, when according to my friend "could have said it in 20 minutes."

Have you ever walked out of a service? If so, for what reason and would you do it again if given the same chance?

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 136351)

YES, We did watch it - we have CABLE here in Atlanta! LOL
It was great and you guys had a great testimony and did great. We were so proud of your stand and that you lifted up the Name of Jesus and were a witness to MILLIONS!!!!!! God bless you all - We loved it! We actually went to another pastors home that had TIVO and he taped it and we all watched.
IT WAS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 136314)

My very first "Apostolic" Conference was at Pastor Billy Adams church in Pensacola, FL. I would say it was about 1982 - 83. I had no idea what an AMF was and I took my youth pastor with me and we showed up in SHORT SLEEVES! :heeheehee
I had NEVER heard it was something we should not do!!!!!!!! It was funny when I found out that they did not believe in short sleeves or SUNGLASSES!!!!! We could not get over them actually believing this!

We went to a day service where Pastor James Varnum (in his Independent days) of Bellview, FL spoke on Soul winning and called the message "Perfect Love". He shared how that his people were teaching HBS and a 12 year old boy had taught a HBS and won a whole family to Souls Harbor. We thought it was so great - we were actually there from his invitation to attend. It was a very edifying message to win the lost!

Well - Pastor Varnum sat down and a Brother "C" got up and said - well, we have heard about this PERFECT LOVE - but today I am gonna preach on "PERFECT HATE". He got all wound up - being so critical of Pastor Varnum and his "big house" and "big fine car" and ranting and raving and said - there is no such thing as Home Bible Studies in the Bible and he had never heard the such of a 12 year old boy teaching anybody anything. He lam blasted everything and everybody there and then started pounding the pulpit - screaming - PERFECT HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE SINNERS - You may say - Oh NO - Brother "C" - You don't hate the sinners - you hate the sin! He then screamed LOUDER than ever - "I HATE THE NASTY FILTHY ROTTEN UNGODLY SINNERS - GOD HATES THEM AND SO DO I"!!!!
At that - I got up and said to the young man with me - "I have heard enough of this - Let's Go!" We got up - picked up our Bibles and walked out and never went back.
I walked out and would walk out again.

Originally Posted by Jekyll (Post 135475)

This whole forum is about trying (hopefully) to find and exhibit truth, and yes most don't fac it enough...you were just stating the obvious...that's why I viewed it as soft.

If you think I have a simple mind, you haven't really read most of my posts...here, let me help you out

- click on my name
- click on the "find all posts by this user" link
- feel free to browse and disagree

Originally Posted by yael (Post 139672)

I've walked out on more than a few. As soon as I hear that a woman is going to get up and preach - I don't mean give her testimony or tell us where we can donate clothes to the needy - but get up and preach ------> :) I'm out.

Originally Posted by yael (Post 139796)

Rhoni is very offended when people state that God does not use women to preach/minister! It isn't scriptural but sure is discriminatory/biased.

Rhoni - I do believe that women can minister - they even ministered to Jesus when He was here in his earthly body. Praise Jesus!! :)

But she was not preaching to the Messiah.

I think they might have made sure he had something to eat and had clean clothes and such.
Let's see - they might have made all kinds of garments for him - you know - like Dorcas. Yes - may there be more Dorcases in the Body.

I think that they may have been like the two sisters that were in the house with Jesus one day when he was preaching.
One was cooking :) and one was quietly sitting and listening.

I believe that women should testify of all that Jesus has done for us.

Oh yeah - teach the younger women to be chaste keepers at home and teach them how to love their husbands and children and take care of the sick and the infirmed.
That'll keep her busy. :)

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 139810)

Tell'em but it won't do any good.

Originally Posted by OP_Carl (Post 135819)

I have walked out of the service a couple of times while visiting churches for the first time after a long distance relocation. Usually because something seemed "off."

I walked out of my present church on a Wednesday evening. I was unaware that we were having a song service instead of bible study. The visiting musical "ministers" were lip-synching. They went on and on, and they were awful. I probably was there for 3/4 of it. I looked at my wife, she looked at me, and we agreed enough was enough. We's gonna grab the kids and scoot, I get up at 5 am, ya'll.

I walked out of a church that I was a fairly long term member of when a "special" altar call was made during the middle of the service. Some context is necessary. A local girl had gone missing. A massive manhunt ensued. We prayed and fasted and contributed to fundraisers. Weeks later, her body was found. Her rapist/murderer confessed that he did it because she had inadvertently stumbled across his meth lab. I don't know why, but these events caused fear to grip my pastor and he wanted to have an altar call wherein we would pray for certain specific protections. The Holy Ghost told my wife and I simultaneously to get out NOW. We grabbed the kids and scooted.

I pray for this sort of protection for my family every day. My daughter is too young to receive an explanation that this sort of evil exists. The God I serve can protect her and us without a special altar call wherein she learns what evils specifically she may now develop fears of.

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 136329)

You can call Pastor James Varnum in Belleview, FL if you do not believe me. I think some of these posters have heard Brother "C" preach this type of message and would verify that I have not lied about it.

It seems every time I post something and you guys disagree - I am called a liar. It seems that way to me - maybe I am misunderstanding!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by yael (Post 139796)

Rhoni is very offended when people state that God does not use women to preach/minister! It isn't scriptural but sure is discriminatory/biased.

Rhoni - I do believe that women can minister - they even ministered to Jesus when He was here in his earthly body. Praise Jesus!! :)

But she was not preaching to the Messiah.

I think they might have made sure he had something to eat and had clean clothes and such.
Let's see - they might have made all kinds of garments for him - you know - like Dorcas. Yes - may there be more Dorcases in the Body.

I think that they may have been like the two sisters that were in the house with Jesus one day when he was preaching.
One was cooking :) and one was quietly sitting and listening.

I believe that women should testify of all that Jesus has done for us.

Oh yeah - teach the younger women to be chaste keepers at home and teach them how to love their husbands and children and take care of the sick and the infirmed.
That'll keep her busy. :)