Either we believe our own articles of faith, or we don't. If we don't lets dismantle the whole thing and start over. Trouble is, I believe what you call the PAJC doctrine with all of my heart. I could not be a part of something that watered that down.

BTW, I would never intentionally put you down. I respect you too much. I just disagree, that's all.

Only problem I have with it is the use of the word "Christians".

Astounding. I don't believe for one second the majority would be with you in this.

OK I am removing the capitalization of the word Christians and placing it in quotes.

Then they need to find an organization that is Baptist - don't they?

Uh .... I said YOU were in a minority. AMF??

Are you talking about the Statement of Faith?

That was worded in a way at the merger that both views - PAJC and PCI - could be comfortable with and live with. There was a tolerance present then that I wish was with you all still. That tolerance and acceptance of one another's differences is the reason the Merger took place at all.

So much to be said about all this. Some of you younger guys who came on the scene in a different generation don't understand some of the dynamics of all this I don't think. Where you're situated geographically enters into an overall understanding too of how things were and are today.

I appreciate you bro. I hear what you're saying.

But again, Pastor P, this is exactly what the UPCI was founded on...two groups of Apostolic men coming together, bringing their "different views" into the making of one "united Pentecostal" organization.

They coexisted, working and building that which you so grandly protect, until 1992...47 years of unity.

In my opinion, it is ridiculous to think that the departure of a few in '92 'cleaned house'.

I have a friend who lives in another state and called me last night. She said that in the area she lives, there are at least 15 churches...all UPCI, yet not all teaching the same.

It boggles my little mind that until a couple of years ago I never heard of Apostolics who didn't all speak the same voice, but was I ever out of the loop.

As a child I vividly remember Bro. OV coming to our church (I learned much later that he was 'PCI') and I don't recall horns or any such thing. I do remember a man preaching the Word.

Basically you seem to be judging people who have left Acts 2:38 and are now promoting repentance and forgiveness as people who are in it for money. There are people who have left churches and LOST money and position because of a change in belief.

I grew up in the Ozarks and now live in Central Illinois. I have never met a UPC pastor that would agree to what you all are saying. Never.

There should be no tolerance for variance on the New Birth message. How could their be? I mean, we are talking apples and oranges here.