Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 369187)

Good advice.

Now if we can just get these guys to let us live our lives without fear.:tvhappy

Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 369224)

Good question and one that could only be answered by the ones telling their young people that.

What I see is there will be some that feel this way and some that won't and in time they'll have problems within just like UPC does now. As long as there are humans involved there are going to be disagreements and problems.

Originally Posted by George (Post 369222)

Some leaders have been directly questioned as to why they won't allow their young people to fellowship UPC. They denied telling them they couldn't. The fact is they are not directly telling them "Don't fellowship UPC" but rather preaching the UPC has taken the wrong path, doesn't have holiness standards, don't believe the message, etc. Good saints understand their pastor and believe if the UPC is taking such a bad turn we need to stay away.
One WPF general council member preached to his church "We aren't the ones who left the UPC the (church across town) left the UPC long ago." He was referring to the "message" and "doctrine" of the UPC. The "church across town" is a wonderful, conservative UPC church. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out saints are going to think if my pastor will not remain UPC it must be so bad I should disassociate.

Originally Posted by George (Post 369230)

Key word - willing. They are willing to fellowship the UPC if it meets their criteria for fellowship.
Another possiblity. They have received so many phone calls and letters because of not allowing youth to fellowship UPC they are trying to smooth it over. All the talk about coexisting comes across defensive.

Originally Posted by jbigg (Post 369147)

while in the AC of JC or in the UPCI?

Originally Posted by StMark (Post 369240)

All of this is just too hard to believe George

Originally Posted by AGAPE (Post 369248)

we stopped fellowshipping youth camps and rallies while we were still upc...

and we have one of the better youth camps/rallies

Tom Foster, Doug White, etc being night speakers

the abundance of jewelry and "revealing" clothing helped push us over the line...

Originally Posted by Diamond Jim (Post 369270)

Let me tell you the facts.The youth from the hard line churches may have "looked" holy,but they were FAR from it! Their girls were practically tripping over their dresses dragging on the ground. Why didn't that keep them from fornicating? The hard line churches had the most out of wedlock pregnancies and problems with fornication(and adultery!)and drinking then ANY of the other churches that were considered "less holy".