This is what a church believes that I visited last night.

I hear you Lady

The thing about talking to the pastor......I wonder what percentage of people are labeled and therefore marked as rebellious.

Also would be interested inknowing how many pastors respond the way they do because of peer pressure.

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At the moment of my receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost I had a mustache. Had worn it for many years to help cover up a deformed upper lip (I was sorta self conscious bout that, ya see!). The way that I view this issue is simply that if it was acceptable to God, then it really doesn't matter what imperfect mortals think about it. Yes, I continue to wear it, albeit I have been made aware that because of this personal decision I will never be permitted to speak/teach/preach from the pulpit of a UPCI assembly. What a shame, indeed! Oh! The burdens which are often laid upon us by our fellow saints of God!:sad

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I am greatly interested in the part of your statement that I bolded above.

You words express an understanding that, operating within your calling and election in God, that YOU CAN DETERMINE what is and what is NOT rebellion.

This would make the issue of rebellion a purposed decision made by the recipient [protagonist] of the preceived rebellion NOT a condition of the person's heart [antagonist].

This is a dramatic departure from the way I was taught rebellion existed. I was always taught it was a "spirit of rebellion". With you comment, a spirit of rebellion could be made an issue or NOT made an issue. The only environment were something could be made or not made, is within the realm of men's dominion.

This post invites consideration of whether what is often called rebellion is actually a decision made by a man, with respect to the actions of another person, and NOT a reality established in the realm of the Spirit.

This is where you have to seek God's face. God WILL work things out.... He will take care of you and the situation....I've seen it happen in my own life and I know how hard it is......I walk on eggs shells concerning this topic because I uphold the office of a pastor with high regard...But we've also been hurt by some that abuse the precious position God has called them to. So you pray for your pastor because many times, the saints have set him on a pedestal and that is scary........There are times when pastors see where things will lead people and they really do care for our souls....with that, we should be ever soo grateful.... I'm not talking from both sides of my mouth....I've been wounded, yes....it would shock some of you~ however, the Word of God remains the same and I cant just walk away from the Word because of man....




Now i confused my self from thinking sooo much! :heeheehee

Welcome to the forum PaPaDon.

Indeed, it is a shame. I have known people that made a quick decision not to pass thru the door of churchs like that. They may have eventually been lost . New children of God, that someone hung a millstone around their neck.

Yes, people will be lost over standards. Those who impose and enforce them as salvational or a test of fellowship. Standards that are not in the bible, or standards that taken from MIS interpreted scripture.

I would not be in their shoes on judgment day, for all the money in the world.

Is it really that way in all churches Brother Kutless? I would assume that the church you are in now isn't quite as the picture you painted here.

BTW, any leader, religious or not - wants his inner circle to conform to his ideology. Otherwise you're not a follower - you're just disgruntled.

Best thing is for you to find a place where you can comfortably conform, cause scripturally you are to "obey them that have the rule over you".

Whoops, I'm sorry! I didn't mean to bring the bible into this. :sad

Thanks alot! Now we can't fight anymore... love and peace all around.....drinks for everyone...PP is buying !!! Woo Hoo!!!

Asking very politely.. please do not read rudeness into my post....

Do you truly believe that the scripture you quoted extends to issues such as this where the Bible not only doesn't say anything against it... but even gives some instructino that would lean towards it?

When Paul and Barnabas had there disagreemnt..which one of them was lost because of it.

When Paul and Peter had there little "fallen out" in Gal 2 or 3, Paul refering to Peter (the supposed guy with the keys and all thet), as being in hypocrosy..which oine of the two was lost?

Disagreement on issues and conversation over them between people is a good thing. it will bring clarity.

At leastr you will know whaere you and the other guy stand.

Long as you don't mind standing on the outside looking in. ;-)