Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 475054)

I think it's important that we maintain a high degree of creditability. For example let's say Iran gets nukes secretly and we approach the international community about it....will they trust us or will they grill us, wasting precious time? It's like the little boy who cried wolf. I think the majority of nations will second guess us now. And I see that as an issue.

I didn't say we "started" radical Islam. I'm saying that we have ignited it. There are record numbers of Muslims joining radical Islamic groups and many groups who were once at odds are uniting. Some of these groups, like Hamas, have become popular enough with the local Arab peoples that they have won elections to official offices. Even Pakistan's relatively moderate government is facing a rising tide of Anti-American political forces that hold radical Islamic tenants. When the Arab world saw us preemptively invade one of their countries on false pretenses...it ignited a groundswell of Anti-Americanism.

Very bad for us. Things are actually worse now because of Iraq. We're not safer...it's never been more dangerous.

Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 474983)

I believe the war to uproot the Taliban and al Queda was necessary. I don't think Iraq was based on the things I've studied. Wolfowitz was pushing to invade Iraq under the first Bush Presidency and then H. W. Bush rebuked him for being to radical and ordered then Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney to re-write the policy papers. I think that our military action in Afghanistan was absolutely called for...however, I'm convinced that Iraq was pushed on us by men with an agenda. While I could be wrong...I firmly believe that once Bush is gone men will come out of the woodwork about how deceptive, secretive, and corrupt this regime has been. And I feel these men will be prominent Republicans who are currently quiet because it would be political suicide to speak out right now.

We'll have to revisit this in a few years. I'm convinced you'll look back at your position here and be amazed that you're lock step behind President Bush.

And bro...radical Islam is bigger right now than it was prior to Bush's invasion of Iraq. As a matter of fact this Administration's policies have united various Islamic factions that used to be at odds in addition to having motivated widespread sympathy and devotion to radical Islam throughout the Middle East and Asia.

Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 475074)

We will just have to see how this plays out. Personally, I was quite feed up with being attacked by these fanatics, which began at least as early as the Reagan Administration. Sure, the opposition has come out of the woodwork, but we are not seeing attacks such as the Cole, the Marine barracks, 1993 WTC, or 9/11, so again I am grateful for Bush's leadership in protecting the homeland and our assets around the world. We need statesmen and what we have are politicians, why, because statesmen cannot be elected due to the confusion and deceit by the media's constant drumbeat against anyone that would try to lead in a competent manner.

Originally Posted by cneasttx (Post 475055)

And I believe what you just posted is propaganda, being pushed by whom I don't know. I don't find it credible.

Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 475093)

To me, you sound like you're full of propaganda and blind loyalty to this Administration. lol

Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 475054)

I think it's important that we maintain a high degree of creditability. For example let's say Iran gets nukes secretly and we approach the international community about it....will they trust us or will they grill us, wasting precious time? It's like the little boy who cried wolf. I think the majority of nations will second guess us now. And I see that as an issue.

I didn't say we "started" radical Islam. I'm saying that we have ignited it. There are record numbers of Muslims joining radical Islamic groups and many groups who were once at odds are uniting. Some of these groups, like Hamas, have become popular enough with the local Arab peoples that they have won elections to official offices. Even Pakistan's relatively moderate government is facing a rising tide of Anti-American political forces that hold radical Islamic tenants. When the Arab world saw us preemptively invade one of their countries on false pretenses...it ignited a groundswell of Anti-Americanism.

Very bad for us. Things are actually worse now because of Iraq. We're not safer...it's never been more dangerous.

Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 474346)

So even if this guy's telling the truth the Bush Administration should get a free pass on this? C'mon...this is far more corrupt than President Clinton trying to cover up an affair.

Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 475111)

In the same context he praises Bush and says he still respects him. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Bush supported the current governor of Texas for re-election instead of his mom who was running as an independent? Just a thought.

Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 475093)

Of course you don't. :toofunny

To me, you sound like you're full of propaganda and blind loyalty to this Administration. lol

Oh well...time will tell...time will tell. I assure you, strong Republicans are going to come forward with the truth when Bush is gone and it's politically safe to do so. You'll be left wondering why you didn't see what I'm trying to tell you.