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Baron1710

12-08-2008 09:41 AM

Re: WHAAT!! Clarence Thomas Push 4 Probe Against O

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 650724)

Given the clear statement of the 14th Amendment, “All persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States”, it would be STUPID AND PARTISAN to argue President elect Obama is NOT an American citizen.

Relax my friend you may recall the first one to file the suit was A Democrat, so the screams of partisanship are not accurate.

Jermyn Davidson

12-08-2008 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 650748)

Relax my friend you may recall the first one to file the suit was A Democrat, so the screams of partisanship are not accurate.

So if it's not partisan, what is it?

If you respond, "It's out of a pure concern for the Constitutional integrity of an American institution," then I'd say you're full of baloney.

I don't recall the first suit filer being a Democrat.

Has that person already dropped their baseless suit?

Baron1710

12-08-2008 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 650753)

It was Philip Berg, good friend of the Clintons, and his initial suit was tossed for lack of standing (the court said he was the wrong person to bring the suit not that the suit was groundless).

The Integrity of the Constitution is important. Regardless of what you think of the suit it is a valid to ask, "was he born here or was he born in Kenya?"

I don't think the court will take the suit but if they do it will come out fine for Obama.

Jermyn Davidson

12-08-2008 10:37 AM

Re: WHAAT!! Clarence Thomas Push 4 Probe Against O

you are right.

The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081208/...o/scotus_obama

Ferd	12-08-2008 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 650024)

What is Mr. Thomas's political affiliation ? Liberal ? Conservative ?

Could have alot to do with his actions or motive .

Scotty, Thomas' affiliation has nothing to do with this.

the request that Thomas made was very much in keeping with the internal process of the SCOTUS.

that process has ended with less than 40% of cases actually being heard by the entire court.

Nothing funky going on here at all.

Newman

12-08-2008 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 650701)

I appreciate the dialog.

Below is a quote from one of the folks who are still attacking President elect Obama:

"Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen 'at birth', just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens".

His attackers are motivated out of partisan politics, and maybe more. BUt whatever their motivations, it isn't good.

Quote from TStew on another thread:

Got it? The argument is that even if he was born in the U.S., his daddy was an immigrant, so he can't be president. Donofrio in fact "concedes Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii."

So yeah, it is settled: President elect Obama was born on American soil.

Thus, he is an American.

Not so fast. The Supreme Court declined to hear the case of dual citizenship. However, there are still multiple lawsuits in the works that argue that Obama is not an American citizen because he was born in Kenya.

Obama has not produced his birth certificate but for a badly forged secondary document said by the unknowing to be his birth certificate.

WHY??? Why won't he put the matter to rest? Where is the judgment and unity in letting this matter ferment and stew?

Newman

12-08-2008 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 650712)

More investigative accuracy concerning the hateful partisan accusations:

Initially, Hawaiian officials said that privacy laws prevented them from releasing a copy or confirming that Obama's copy was authentic. But in late October as questions persisted, Hawaii's health director and head of vital statistics reviewed Obama's birth certificate in the department's vault and vouched for its authenticity.

Jeremy- I have seen this kind of statement thrown out in the media BUT it doesn't jive with the actual words that were carefully chosen by the Hawaiin official.

In fact the Hawaiin official-

1. DID NOT confirm his birth in Hawaii;

2. DID NOT state that the birth certificate was authentic.

If you can find the official's actual words to the contrary I would want to know.

HeavenlyOne

12-08-2008 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 650694)

No.

American law does not require that immigrants renounce their citizenship of their original country.

I have a cousin who I am almost positive is a citizen of Senegal, but I know she is an American still.

This does not hold true for anyone wishing to be President.

According to http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_US_p...al_citizenship

The Constitution contains the term "natural born" for a US president. This term was used to prevent anyone with the possibility of having a foreign allegiance from becoming commander-in-chief of US forces, for obvious reasons (super fifth column, anyone?) A person with dual citizenship owes allegiance to both the US and the foreign government. They are required to obey the laws of both countries, which of course for a sitting US President would be disastrous to the US nation.

The term "natural born" is used to mean a singular allegiance to one and only one nation. Dual citizenship contradicts this.

(Note that it is unique that the US president is also the commander-in-chief, which entrusts the office of president with great power, so a concern of allegiance was on the minds of the framers of the Constitution. Senators and Representatives can be naturalized; the President cannot, because of the Commander-In-Chief power.)

All NATURALIZED citizens have to take an oath of ALLEGIANCE, to confirm they only have allegiance to the US and no other country. But this is not enough to fully repudiate possible allegiances to other countries.

deacon blues

12-08-2008 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark (Post 648667)

BTW,

I think C Thomas needs to stay out of this on.
He already has a bad name and is despised in his community.
the last thing he needs to do is make it worse.

He is really making a mistake

I don't think CT gives a rip what "his people" think of him. Never has. He is his own man. Read his biography "My Grandfather's Son". Was raised to live by principle versus victimization.

TK Burk

12-08-2008 08:42 PM

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Newsmax (a conservative new source) says that Obama's birth certificate shows he was born in the US.

Here is an excerpt from Newmax:

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Obama Was Born in the United States
Monday, December 8, 2008 11:30 AM

By: Ronald Kessler

“The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport,” FactCheck.org, headed by respected former Wall Street Journal reporter Brooks Jackson, concluded.

According to the State Department, that includes “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.”

That led to claims by conspiracy theorists that the document shown to FactCheck.org was fake. However, on Oct. 31, the Hawaii Department of Health issued a press release saying that Chiyome Fukino, director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, along with Alvin Onaka, the registrar of vital statistics, had “personally seen and verified that Hawaii’s State Department of Public Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

Fukino told the Honolulu Advertiser that her department issued the press release after being barraged by calls about the issue, including some received by state officials at home in the middle of the night.

“This has gotten ridiculous,” said Fukino, a medical doctor.

Aside from that official verification of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, back on Aug. 31, 1962, the Honolulu Advertiser ran an announcement of his birth.

“Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalaniaaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4,” the announcement said

This same article explains how the rumor got started about Obama not being born in the US.

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