Originally Posted by Margies3 (Post 713938)

I would be the first to agree that we don't always know the lives of other people. I would completely agree that while I think that MissBratt (for instance) lives a life that is certainly a fine example of what a Christian should be, there still could be parts of her life that I am totally unaware of. Not saying that there is, just using her as an example. I hope that's ok, MissBratt.

The problem with applying that to THIS situation tho is that if a person has lined themselves up with the gay community or gay apostolic church, and said that they are a part of it because that is their lifestyle, then there is not much left to speculation. In that case, whatever else is right in their life, there is still this one very BIG thing that is clearly against Biblical teaching.

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 713962)

That's fine--I understand your point. My point is not that we all struggle from time to time with different things--I'm sure many do--I know I have my own struggles.

However, we're talking about people who are NOT struggling against or denouncing their sins, but accepting it, justifying it by twisting scripture, and passing on that bondage to others.

Again, the scripture I just quoted--

Galatians 6:10 "For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. "

Are we supposed to preach what men what to hear? If we only tell people what they want to hear, we aren't servants of Christ, but of men.

Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 713950)

Kind of makes you wonder if a person who professes to live in sin actually has the holy ghost and has been born again. Then again it makes me wonder if maybe their speaking in tongues and all that really isn't the holy ghost. I thought Acts 2:38 is how we are born again. How can a born again person willing live in sin?

Originally Posted by JEdwards (Post 713910)

Hey all, Jeff here. I know that I haven't posted a lot lately. As usual I've been busy with school, which I am thankful for. I do read the posts quite often and you all are a great bunch of people. I'm just not as opinionated as I used to be and don't post as often as I should I suppose.

I was curious about something. What do you all think about the gay apostolic movement that has been going on? There is the National Gay Pentecostal Alliance out of Michigan, the Reconciling Pentecostals of AZ and FL, and the New Life Community Church in Indiana run by an ex-UPC minister, Randy Duncan, who I understand is a great friend of the Manguns out of Alexandria, LA.

Originally Posted by JEdwards (Post 713954)

These are some very interesting replies. Makes me ponder.

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 713964)

I would only add turning their sin into a point of fellowship

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 713953)

I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to accept that a practicing sinner is a Christian, especially when instead of being repentant or even struggling against the sin, they accept it within themselves and propagate more of the same in others.

I do NOT hate homosexuals--but I do reject their behavior as sinful, and I do not believe it can coincide with Christianity.

Galatians 1:6-12
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.