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Light 08-12-2009 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 786967)
There is a fine and it was $2,000 dollars from the 1980's. It was first assessed in D.c. at the J.W. Marriott hotel.

Blame the employers? It is easy to blame the company. That is the Liberal way. Remember the illegals use fake documents. (reminds us of Obama's birth certificate fake)

Light, you bragged about all the businesses you started. Did you remain racist and refuse to hire Hispanics?

What would Jesus do? He was pro life and voted against abortion. In fact the Virgin Mary would have been encouraged to have an abortion today.
and you want us "rich republicans" to pay for it. Soros, Bill Gates, Warren buffett are rich Democrats. Madoff is still a strong Democrat.

Light. You sure are a great poster child for hypocritts. We of course have a large church and welcome hypocrits. You have become my favorite poster child.

When you have no facts to back up your stupid statement you always fall back on abortion. You are as phony as a $ 3.00 bill. Business are not fined $2000.00 for ea. illegal. If they were it would stop them from hiring. Forged doc or not any intelligent person would do a check if the were honest when the person they are hiring cannot speak english.

Why don't you answer the question posed to you "are you against lying by ommission"?

I think the reason you don't is because you do it ever day in almost every post. You talk about hypocrites you are the shining example of one with all of the lies you post yet claiming to be a Christian.

MikeinAR 08-12-2009 11:37 AM
Re: Talking point: Life expectancy/Healthcare rebu
 
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Originally Posted by Light (Post 787119)

Esther when was there any outrage while the last administration was in power? Please give us the source to confirm your post!!
Ditto. Where was the outcry from all of these people who are now showing up and screaming and yelling at these meetings when the Bush administration and Republican Congress sat on their collective duff the last 8 years and did NOTHING to fix health care?

Now that a President is trying to suggest solutions and have a debate, they've all decided to freak out, protest, scream and cry.

Patients like Nataline Sarkysian didn't have time to wait for reform. It's time to stop procastinating and just saying, "no" to everything.

MikeinAR 08-12-2009 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Light (Post 787135)

When you have no facts to back up your stupid statement you always fall back on abortion. You are as phony as a $ 3.00 bill. Business are not fined $2000.00 for ea. illegal. If they were it would stop them from hiring. Forged doc or not any intelligent person would do a check if the were honest when the person they are hiring cannot speak english.

Why don't you answer the question posed to you "are you against lying by ommission"?

I think the reason you don't is because you do it ever day in almost every post. You talk about hypocrites you are the shining example of one with all of the lies you post yet claiming to be a Christian.
Join Twisp, I and several others who've put him on ignore and it makes the forum much more enjoyable. He'll tone it down when he's just arguing with himself all the time.

coadie 08-12-2009 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Light (Post 787135)

When you have no facts to back up your stupid statement you always fall back on abortion. You are as phony as a $ 3.00 bill. Business are not fined $2000.00 for ea. illegal. If they were it would stop them from hiring. Forged doc or not any intelligent person would do a check if the were honest when the person they are hiring cannot speak english.

Why don't you answer the question posed to you "are you against lying by ommission"?


What makes you so angry? Is it because of some little wiggling of hypocracy? Vote for abortion and say it is wrong?

I think the reason you don't is because you do it ever day in almost every post. You talk about hypocrites you are the shining example of one with all of the lies you post yet claiming to be a Christian.
The following is a partial list of federally mandated fines:

For employers who fail to properly complete, retain, or make I-9 Forms available for inspection, fines range from $100 to $1,100 per individual I-9.
For employers who knowingly hire or knowingly continue to employ unauthorized workers, civil penalties range from $250 to $11,000 per violation.
For employers engaging in a pattern or practice of knowingly hiring or continuing to employ unauthorized workers, fines can be as much as $3,000 per employee and/or 6 months of imprisonment.

Just for the uneducated. People still sell and use drugs and it is illegal. Telling us if your false claims on hiring illegals would stop companies from doing it? Apparently not.



this thread about healthcare and life expectancy. Are democrats interesed in Life or life expectancy? How does abortion extend health or life?

Light 08-12-2009 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by coadie (Post 787146)




Just for the uneducated. People still sell and use drugs and it is illegal. Telling us if your false claims on hiring illegals would stop companies from doing it? Apparently not.


Are you ignorant? I never made a claim I made a statement. Fine any that employ a illegal $10,000.00 for each illegal. If the man or woman can not speak English it is a safe bet that they might be illegal.

n david 08-12-2009 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Light (Post 787135)
Business are not fined $2000.00 for ea. illegal. If they were it would stop them from hiring. Forged doc or not any intelligent person would do a check if the were honest when the person they are hiring cannot speak english.
Current law DOES indeed allow for a business to be fined anywhere from $250 to $10,000 each violation (illegal immigrant hiring).

The Senate at one time was wanting to increase that amount to $5,000 up to $20,000 each violation; and the House version wanted to increase the amount to $5,000 up to $40,000 per violation

Esther 08-12-2009 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Light (Post 786965)
Wow now that what I call a compassionate Christian. I wonder what Jesus would do?

He would probably tell them to quit breaking the law and go home and come back the legal way!

If the rich republicans would be fined $10,000.00 for each illegal that they hire there would be no illegals.
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Originally Posted by Light (Post 787119)

Esther when was there any outrage while the last administration was in power? Please give us the source to confirm your post!!

No I am not going to give you a source. I doubt you could find one unless you want to go through the meetings in congress or IF a congressman happens to report the complaints they receive.

Or perhaps you could contact the insurance board and see what they have to say.

And for the record this has been going on for more than just the last administration. Coverage has gotten worse, insurance companies are making more decisions and leaving the doctors and the patients out of the decision making. This is wrong, and I'm surprised you are not aware of this.

Contact your congressman if you want confirmation of a source perhaps they will give you some.
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Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 787137)
Ditto. Where was the outcry from all of these people who are now showing up and screaming and yelling at these meetings when the Bush administration and Republican Congress sat on their collective duff the last 8 years and did NOTHING to fix health care?

Now that a President is trying to suggest solutions and have a debate, they've all decided to freak out, protest, scream and cry.

Patients like Nataline Sarkysian didn't have time to wait for reform. It's time to stop procastinating and just saying, "no" to everything.
Mike I'm sure they are exactly where they were the 8 years before during the Clinton administration.

Neither party has done anything about this. But Obama's plan is NOT the answer. We do NOT need government controlled healthcare. I would think even most idiots could see the fallicacy of that!

The government can't run the government now, they are spending money they don't have, they are passing laws that are putting people out of work.

We DON'T need more government. We need LESS GOVERNMENT!

I am frustrated with both parties right now!!!

But the insurance companies are out of control, IMO.

Twisp 08-12-2009 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 787167)
Mike I'm sure they are exactly where they were the 8 years before during the Clinton administration.

Neither party has done anything about this. But Obama's plan is NOT the answer. We do NOT need government controlled healthcare. I would think even most idiots could see the fallicacy of that!

The government can't run the government now, they are spending money they don't have, they are passing laws that are putting people out of work.

We DON'T need more government. We need LESS GOVERNMENT!

I am frustrated with both parties right now!!!

But the insurance companies are out of control, IMO.
Please stop spreading this lie. It is not government run healthcare. It is government healthcare and private healthcare with several options.

MikeinAR 08-12-2009 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 787167)
Mike I'm sure they are exactly where they were the 8 years before during the Clinton administration.

Neither party has done anything about this. But Obama's plan is NOT the answer. We do NOT need government controlled healthcare. I would think even most idiots could see the fallicacy of that!

The government can't run the government now, they are spending money they don't have, they are passing laws that are putting people out of work.

We DON'T need more government. We need LESS GOVERNMENT!

I am frustrated with both parties right now!!!

But the insurance companies are out of control, IMO.
No one's proposing gov't controlled healthcare Esther. That's not the plan or in the bill.

Right now we have insurance company controlled healthcare and that simply won't work any longer.

Ferd 08-12-2009 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 786954)
I am a little busy and have to go to work. I know that you think that your "white already insured" viewpoint reflects the entire nation. Since you are quickly becoming the minority you need to sit back and think about what you just said. Because if you think the insurance companies are not doing exactly what you are accusing "gvmt burrocrats" of doing then you are either numb or haven't really had any type of recent major healthcare issue.

When I get back, Ima kick this one out of the ballpark.

They ALL have longer lifespans Ferd. All of them. You are going to tell me that all of this this data is somehow skewed? What defines results, opinions or actual outcome?
First, I have not said that there is no need for reform in America. There certainly is a need for it.

but I clearly proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you cannot make a one to one link between government run healthcare and life expectancy.

which seems to still be your view point. wierd...


and what the pelosi are you talking about with that "white already insured" viewpoint comment?

Are you some kind of racist?


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