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jfrog

01-08-2010 03:15 PM

Re: Showdown in the Wild West

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 862324)

Organization worship. Maybe it helps some remain accessible to different opinions... sure. But it's a bit dishonest IMO... in certain cases, I should qualify.

God told you to get a license from the UPCI or to preach the gospel and tell lost souls about Him?

I'm not berating card carrying people who differ on issues that they don't think are worth separating over, but I am curious as to those who share differences that if known by their peers would close doors for them anyway. Neither are they exempt from criticism. If everyone voted with their feet, you'd see more results and change. People that care will keep contact. Some aren't fully sure of their theology, so that explains why they are not moving right away. They are figuring things out themselves.

Very true. And it may be a bit dishonest if they are keeping certain of their beleifs quite so their peers don't find out. Or maybe it could be called wisdom for knowing what would happen if they spoke up.

EA	01-08-2010 03:15 PM

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Is this about Jim Kilgore leaving? I keep hearing he has, or is going to but I haven't seen any proof.

Monterrey

01-08-2010 03:21 PM

Re: Showdown in the Wild West

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 862139)

Getting word of some breaking news in Texas.

Anyone there that can confirm?

Here it is, you first heard it, er read it, on AFF!

JK and DD and DH are meeting in Dallas/ Garlland to talk of forming a new org because DL and KS formed them up a new org in Detroit!

JK and DD have a core of about, 75 or 100 men, that are willing to break from the UPC, WPF, ACI, ALJC, KKK, AAFCJ and PAW, and have already got the by-laws wrote up!

The headquarters are going to be in DH's church there in Garlland, TX.

Further reports coming as the news trickles in!

This is Monte, reporting live from Dallas Texas!

Jeffrey

01-08-2010 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 862344)

Who is DH, DD and KS? A new org? Now that's news since Global was the magnetic conglomerate and force in the area.

Monterrey

01-08-2010 03:33 PM

Re: Showdown in the Wild West

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 862347)

Who is DH, DD and KS? A new org? Now that's news since Global was the magnetic conglomerate and force in the area.

Well, DH used to pastor in CC, Colorado, now he runs with LS. Or did.

DD once hung around with MC and the men of the IRA but that's all blown apart now. You know how new orgs are.

KS ran with GK in LA., but now he has become more of the emergent crowd.

Hopefully that answers your questions.

EA	01-08-2010 03:47 PM

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I'm so confused!

tstew

01-08-2010 03:51 PM

Re: Showdown in the Wild West

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 862318)

I'm sure they are. Speaking to hypothetical people right now though. There's many that would be better off to hve courage, make the move and go. Then life won't be dominated about this stuff and we can be about the Father's Business.

I'm sorry, but I had to chuckle at this. Sadly, it appears that many of the people who move on are more dominated by some of this than those of us who are still in. I do understand and recognize the genuine concerns and issues that many have, but I think dominance and obsession can be found on both extremes.
I pray for the Apostolic movement as a whole and I am convinced that God is in control and everything will work out. In the meantime, I will continue to do what is in my power to be sure that revival and outreach continue in my local assembly.

Ferd	01-08-2010 03:53 PM

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I am starting a new org too.

sign up fee is $1000
annual dues are $1000
licenesing fee is $1000

You will be required to believe that Ice Cream is cold, fish should be wet and annual dues are salvific.

Jeffrey

01-08-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tstew (Post 862355)

I'm sorry, but I had to chuckle at this. Sadly, it appears that many of the people who move on are more dominated by some of this than those of us who are still in. I do understand and recognize the genuine concerns and issues that many have, but I think dominance and obsession can be found on both extremes.

I pray for the Apostolic movement as a whole and I am convinced that God is in control and everything will work out. In the meantime, I will continue to do what is in my power to be sure that revival and outreach continue in my local assembly.

Sure, there are some that left and can't let it go. That's not the point of the thread though. I'm talking about those who want to leave, but see so many reasons and obstacles hindering them (relationships, their churches, their salaries, itineraries, etc). The longer they stay, the more dominating these issues become. There comes a point when you let go. Some sound like they are there, behind closed doors. Maybe they haven't left, because they're not. Maybe they aren't completely settled yet. But the longer they have to sit through camp speakers and foam-from-the-mouth evangelist sputtering out ignorances, the longer the pain goes on.

Jeffrey

01-08-2010 03:55 PM

Re: Showdown in the Wild West

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Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 862357)

I'd consider, but your licensing fees are too high.

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