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Jeffrey 01-13-2010 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 865162)
God judged nations in the NT. Does he judge nations today? Does he still see the world as nations (Nation of Israel vs others), or as individuals? Just thinking outloud.

He is a GOD that intervenes with the affairs of men. It's not impossible that any natural disaster if a judgement of GOD, but to assume so without Divine insight is heresy.
Anyone want to take a stab?

NOW, I understand. It just sounded like an indictment on all Christianity, that's all. There will always be wackos, and this particular fellow is notorious for saying stupid things. As a whole though, Christians have been exceedingly gracious. There will always be skeptics.

Michael The Disciple 01-13-2010 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 865192)
Are you standing next to the mothers who are weeping over their children who are buried alive? Are you running in their streets of mass histerea? Will you be going home to your warm house tonight?

It's so easy for us to claim such things when it's "Out of sight, out of mind".

Michael, do you have children? A wife? Do you love the souls of suffering men and women, or are they just cannon fodder for your idea of God's judgement?

May God's Mercy be upon these poor people who are suffering beyond our wildest dreams. May our hearts break in two for this tragedy that has fallen upon human beings, and people that God loves.

For God so loves the World!

Sorry if my words seem tough, but I've come from a very abusive church background, where "God's Judgement" was used to deploy dark manipulation. The problem with these kind's of statements, is there no limit to where they can go, and they create devious "Witch Hunts".
Slow down a minute guy. I was not rejoicing that people were killed in Haiti. Years ago I had a radio ministry TO HAITI. I have shared the gospel with them.

I was reacting to the initial post. As one who DOES believe the God of scripture judges nations for sin my thinking is the world hates the people of God anyway. Yeshua said this. He said if we simply live godly in Christ they will hate us. So IF a judgment may be seen as being from YHWH I dont think we have to run away from mentioning that it could have been HIM.

There is scripture that tells us God is GLORIFIED in judgment. If we start from the position that its sinful and shameful to believe God punishes nations for sins we will never understand the events that are going to come to pass on Earth in the times to come.

So my stand is that a Christian should not be condemning God for something he takes credit for doing countless times in scripture.

Dedicated Mind 01-13-2010 07:38 PM
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Well I agree this is a tragedy and I support our country's effort in responding. But why is Hati and Africa, for that matter, so poor?

Does anyone know anymore details about this pact with the devil?

notofworks 01-13-2010 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 865197)
Anyone want to take a stab?

NOW, I understand. It just sounded like an indictment on all Christianity, that's all. There will always be wackos, and this particular fellow is notorious for saying stupid things. As a whole though, Christians have been exceedingly gracious. There will always be skeptics.

Yes, whackos. That guy in Kansas or wherever, that protests at soldiers funerals and puts up signs that "Gof hates f--s" is a whacko. But Pat Robertson? He's an internationally accepted spokesman for the Christian Community. Same with James Dobson when he issues a list of stores that Christians can't shop at during Christmas because their employees are mandated to say "Happy Holidays." It's embarrassing. That's the gist of what I'm trying to say.

But unfortunately, millions of Christians will keep sending in their donations to the 700 club.

Guys like Robertson and Falwell hurt the cause.

Evang.Benincasa 01-13-2010 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 865194)
Look carefully at what I'm saying, Jeff. I'm talking about the way that "THEY" are going to see this.
Let's see, Erwin, Pat, Erwin, Pat, Erwin, Pat. NoW, in what you believe is planets away from the stream 700Club.


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The sceptics, that are already turned off by the judgmental attitude of many Christians, will just chalk this up to another bigotry by Christians.
How about when the Pope made the comment that the Roman Catholic Church was the only way to heaven? Did you feel that the pontif was going to bring a bligght on Christianity?

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I'm sharp enough to know that many Christians are helping.
As sharp as a sock. ;)


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I'm attempting to point out something here....
Your doing a wonderful job, please, continue.

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everytime something like this happens, 9-11, the tsunami, etc., some prominent Christian steps forward to say something like this.
Hey, there wrong, so go forward in newness of life.

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And WE...the Christian community....support people like Pat.
There you go Daddy-O, you adopted the guy, so therefore deal with it.


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No, you probably don't. I sure as heck never would.
Stop using the WE word, and come out from among them. That way you will never be confused as being a part of the 700 Club crew.

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But the people who wear the same label as you,
Make sure you shed those labels. Hey, write a letter to Pat and tell him that you will no longer support him.

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are out there saying this stuff.

And it greatly hurts our efforts.
Greatly hurts our efforts? So now we have the problem, what is YOUR solution? What would you like to do about this?

Please I await your remedy.

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That's the point I'm trying to make.
Yes, and you are doing a great job. ;)

DAII 01-13-2010 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 865201)
Well I agree this is a tragedy and I support our country's effort in responding. But why is Hati and Africa, for that matter, so poor?

Does anyone know anymore details about this pact with the devil?
The devils are imperialism and govt corruption.

notofworks 01-13-2010 07:41 PM
Re: This Is Why Non-Christians Hate Us
 
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey (Post 865197)
Anyone want to take a stab?

NOW, I understand. It just sounded like an indictment on all Christianity, that's all. There will always be wackos, and this particular fellow is notorious for saying stupid things. As a whole though, Christians have been exceedingly gracious. There will always be skeptics.

What New Testament judgment would you be speaking of? Revelation?

notofworks 01-13-2010 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DAII (Post 865206)
The devils are imperialism and govt corruption.
Absolutely.

Jeffrey 01-13-2010 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 865203)
Yes, whackos. That guy in Kansas or wherever, that protests at soldiers funerals and puts up signs that "Gof hates f--s" is a whacko. But Pat Robertson? He's an internationally accepted spokesman for the Christian Community. Same with James Dobson when he issues a list of stores that Christians can't shop at during Christmas because their employees are mandated to say "Happy Holidays." It's embarrassing. That's the gist of what I'm trying to say.

But unfortunately, millions of Christians will keep sending in their donations to the 700 club.

Guys like Robertson and Falwell hurt the cause.
Fallwell has passed on. So easy now.
Robertson and Dobson should not be in the same sentence. Dobson is using his influence in the civic area -- not my passion, and not really the Missio Deo, but more power to him. His ministry at FOTF has been ENORMOUSLY helpful for Christians worldwide.

700 Club. Well, people know the things he's saying. I'm sad they keep funding him too.

Michael The Disciple 01-13-2010 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DAII (Post 865195)
What you see in Michael is the fruit of his perfectionist doctrine.

Find an altar, Mike.
And where is the evil in these words?

Let them hate us. If the story be true it makes sense.

Yeshua foretold we would be hated of all nations. Its going to happen whether someone speaks inaccurately on a subject or not.

On the other hand MANY scriptures speak of God punishing nations for sin.

I said IF THE STORY BE TRUE IT MAKES SENSE.

God has threatened both nations and individuals with judgment if they refuse him. If indeed a nation did make a pact with the devil it would be logical that it would be a dark and evil place. That does not mean everyone there is in sin of course. Thats what the secret place of the most high is for. A refuge for the righteous even in the storm.

Anyway you dont miss a chance to judge others Dan altho you sure holler if you THINK someone else is.


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