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vrblackwell 06-06-2007 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 144194)
And? Why is made different than born? BTW the greek word is

ginomai
Thayer Definition:
1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being

What difference does it make if the Word or God was made flesh or was born flesh?

Because God is a spirit. God cannot die. The Word(thought or plan) became God. Paul said that God was manifest in the flesh.

He also said that "God was IN Christ".

Would not saying that he actually became flesh mean that God would had to have died?

I believe that people are made up of three parts, body, spirit, and soul. The spirit does not become the flesh, it is in the flesh, or housed by the flesh. The merging of the spirit and body creates the soul.

In reality, we do not know. And thank goodness it is not required of us to understand the totality of the Godhead. We are only required to believe there is one God and that Christ is that God.

Scott Hutchinson 06-06-2007 10:07 PM

I apologize I meant to say did God become flesh not God did became flesh ?

Steve Epley 06-06-2007 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 144224)
Does this mean That Jesus become a sin -offering for us ,or did He actually become sin ? If Jesus became Sin would not that imply guilt ?
Also due to the virgin birth He had no falled Adamic sinful nature.
The animals in the OT. were offered as sin -offerings but they themselves did not become sin in their flesh.

He became the sin bearer. The LORD hath laid UPON Him the iniquity of us all.
He in his own body bore out sins on the tree. He came to bear the sin of many.

Praxeas 06-07-2007 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by vrblackwell (Post 144348)
Because God is a spirit. God cannot die. The Word(thought or plan) became God. Paul said that God was manifest in the flesh.

Then WHO was Jesus? Was Jesus someone other than God? That's Unitarian, not Oneness. Oneness teaches 1 Person (God) who is at the same time Father, Son and HOly Ghost and AS the Son He indeed did die, HE died through the Human nature, not through the Spirit.

God WAS manifested in flesh. I agree, that is why I believe what John said that the word was MADE flesh. And the word was God.

David Bernard
In conclusion, we have learned that the term "Son of God" refers to the Incarnation, or the manifestation of God in flesh

Now...the word incarnation has been used for centuries by Trinitarians to teach that God did not merely hop into a body and animate it, but that God Himself (one person of three) became a man.


in·car·na·tion Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[in-kahr-ney-shuh
Pronunciation Key -
–noun
1.an incarnate being or form.
2.a living being embodying a deity or spirit.
3.assumption of human form or nature.
4.the Incarnation, (sometimes lowercase) Theology. the doctrine that the second person of the Trinity assumed human form in the person of Jesus Christ and is completely both God and man.
5.a person or thing regarded as embodying or exhibiting some quality, idea, or the like: The leading dancer is the incarnation of grace.
6.the act of incarnating. 7.state of being incarnated.

The doctrine of the Son does not teach that God the Father so loved the world He sent another person "God the Son," to die and reconcile the world to the Father. On the contrary, it teaches that God the Father so loved the world that He robed Himself in flesh and gave of Himself as the Son of God to reconcile the world to Himself (II Corinthians 5:19). The one Jehovah God of the Old Testament, the great Creator of the universe, humbled Himself in the form of man so that man could see Him, understand Him, and communicate with Him. He made a body for Himself, called the Son of God.
See...AS THE SON. God became the Son...

Even David Bernard recognizes the term Son refers to both deity and humanity and not merely humanity alone

As stated above, "Son" does not always refer to the humanity alone but to the deity and humanity together as they exist in the one person of Christ. For example, the Son has power to forgive sin (Matthew 9:6), the Son was both in heaven and on earth at the same time (John 3:13), the Son ascended up into heaven (John 6:62), and the Son is coming again in glory to rule and judge (Matthew 25:31).

What is the significance of the title "Son of God"? It emphasizes the divine nature of Jesus and the fact of His virgin birth


Since Father refers to deity alone, while "Son of God" refers to deity as incarnated in humanity, we do not believe that the Father is the Son.

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He also said that "God was IN Christ".
Nobody here is denying that God is IN Christ, but let's consider another verse

Col 2:9 For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form,

Now often OPs read this as "For in a body all fulness of Deity dwelt"...but that is not what it says. It says for in Him all fulness of deity lives or dwelt how? How was Deity dwelling? In bodily form. Deity or God Himself, the person of God took on a bodily form. To say the Son is someone other than the person of God is Unitarianism..

Php 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Notice God...the Son was in the form of God and what? made himself nothing...taking the form of a servant (God took the form of a servant)...God was BORN in the likeness of man. God was born....hmmmm...God was found in human form. God humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death....God did that...was it someone else?

Who is the subject in this next verse?
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory.

It's God right? Thus who was manifested in the flesh? God was. He was. And HE, God was justified in the Spirit...God needs to be justified? God was seen by angels...really they saw God. Remember this is talking about God manifested in flesh. When the angels saw the Son they saw God. God was preached among the nations or gentiles. God was believed on in the world and God was received up into Glory..we all know Acts 1 where the Apostles saw the Son being taken up into glory...that was God. It was not merely God inside someone else. It was not merely God inside a body. It was God HIMSELF who was that man Christ Jesus

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Would not saying that he actually became flesh mean that God would had to have died?
God DID die. He died THROUGH the human nature. He tasted or experienced death through His human nature just like us, yet His Divine Spirit continued to exist

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I believe that people are made up of three parts, body, spirit, and soul. The spirit does not become the flesh, it is in the flesh, or housed by the flesh. The merging of the spirit and body creates the soul.
Man is a unity of body, soul and spirit. What you have is just a body sans soul and spirit that God was inside of like someone might put on a wet suit and go diving...that when there was death on the cross all that happened was that suit stopped functioning. If Christ was indeed a man he had to have body, soul and spirit AND if the Divine essence was "in there" He also had the Spirit. If Christ was indeed a man and yet was not God Himself (person) the what you have is unitarianism...sort of adoptionism...two persons. One is God and one is a man that God was inside of

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In reality, we do not know. And thank goodness it is not required of us to understand the totality of the Godhead. We are only required to believe there is one God and that Christ is that God.
Perhaps.

Scott Hutchinson 06-07-2007 06:12 PM

Bump for the scholars.


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