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We're just going to have to find out. But trust me...I'll make sure you're reminded of all this if it all goes down like I think it will.

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Great. Thanks!!! If something is amiss, then I think it should be dealt with. I just think it's "political theatre". Everyone knows the Democrats have been out to get Rove and are determined to crush him. That is not new information either.

Look what they tried to do to Kay Bailey Hutchinson. She fought it and won. Good for her!

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Everything is political theatre. ;)

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PO,

My dear and precious friend. May I suggest that you step out from the middle of the spin zone created by Fox News and the conservative radio personalities and be the objective person that you are?!

I know that you have been listening to folks from Limbaugh to Hannity in order to get an understanding of McClellan's motives; however, they and their cohorts have been tainted by their own motives to ever give anyone with a different opinion, story or idea a fair chance.

McClellan was only paid $75,000 for this book. People have called him greedy and made accusations that he was only looking at dollar signs when he wrote that book. Clearly, the evidence proved that it wasn't about the money.

I have sat and listened to him OBJECTIVELY and afterward I thought that since I had no proof to condemn the man of betraying the President and lying about things that he witnessed first hand and wrote in his book, then I was in no way going to say he lied and make other false accusations against him.

All those pundits and slick-tongued radio bullies have contributed to good people buying into their lies, which they have carefully formulated and manipulated to resemble truth. In other words, they have deceived many by repeating their lies over and over again that people started to believe the spin.

Actually, it was obvious to me that McClellan still cared a great deal for Bush, because each time he has been interviewed this past week he defended and stated that Bush was mislead by those he trusted in his administration.

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I don't listen to Limbaugh and Hannity. :D

I've followed this story as research and it just looks like politics as usual. That's my take thus far.

Honestly, I don't see it as anything else.

I mean really - Janet Reno, simultaneously fired all 93 U.S. Attorneys in March 1993 under the Clinton Administration.

What's wrong with Bush firing 8? lol

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not at all just like you wont if you find out mclellan was just what i think he is, i think that is funny, what is said on this forum doesnt affect my life at all, i am here just for fun, not trying to change the world, i allready change the world every day by helping teach my step kids to be decent people, lol,dt

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I hope you weren't offended by my previous post about where you get your information from, because clearly I was totally off on your source. Which gave me a little lead-in to mention how easy it was to make assumptions and believe they were the truth when in reality they were totally opposite than the truth.

McClellan's true intentions may have been the victim of many people's assumptions around the country. How could any of us really know this man's heart?

I am not Bush's or anyone else's judge or jury when it comes to matters such as the firing of federal employees. I am a firm believer in what my Maimaw use to say which was, "Whatever you do in the dark, will come to light". Besides, if some of the other allegations turn out to be true regarding Bush and some of his staff then the firing of those employees would fade in comparison, IMO. They will all be dealt with one way or another in time.

My prayer for today is let there peace on earth and let it begin with me....and then PO. :hanky

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By the way, I have to walk away from this pleasant exchange before I break a promise.

May God's blessings and joy be overflowing in your lives.

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I wasn't offended in the least. I normally check my sources before I post. lol

And we will have peace as long as you agree with me. :happydance

Just kidding!!!!!

I'm out too. Supposed to be working today!! lol

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Finally you said something I agree with , but I think it may be those who are voting for the extremely liberal big change character.

Show me a person who is liberal in his political thinking and I'll show you a person who is liberal in his walk with Christ. :tissue

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I believe that since we'll give an account for every idle word...those who repeat the lies of the "radio bullies" are going to be found in a very sad state before the Lord. Same for those who do not take caution regarding the liberals and their propaganda. The best position is to wait and find out.

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Anyone voting for either of the two leading parties in America are compromising their Christianity. Both parities lie and extort. Both parties are morally bankrupt. Both parties are guilty of grave sins against God.

The only true "Christian response" is to give this world's politics to this world and we live entirely kingdom minded. We don't need the lying and corrupt Republicans or the shreaking, liberal Democrats.

We do best to focus entirely on the Kingdom of God and call both parties on their sins. But most Christians don't have the guts. They worship one of the two parties.

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When I stated that I had to excuse myself from this thread it wasn't because I had to go do something else, it was because I had made a promise to avoid arguing about politics. I thought that if I were to stick around, it may have ended up with you posting videos and articles bashing Obama and me doing the same with McCain.

BTW, have you heard? I don't support Obama, McCain or Clinton...I decided to stick with my original choice for President - Ron Paul! I know that you may view my voting for Paul as a throw away vote, but I firmly believe he would make a far better leader than the other three. :running:

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The fact is I don’t think any candidate is uniquely Christian. The thing to consider is each individual’s policies and how they affect you and your family. I’m thinking about voting Constitution Party, Chuck Baldwin. But Baldwin stands no realistic chance of winning. Out of the two contenders Obama’s policies will be far better for my family than McCain’s. We have this tendency of saying, “If you don’t vote like me, you’re not a Christian.” I think that’s childish. We have to know the policies, the actual policies, how they will effect us, and vote for whose policies will best serve our families. Most Christians only think about two issues and don’t have a clue if that candidate’s actual policies will throw their family under the bus or something.

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I didn't agree with all of Ron Paul on foreign policy, so I couldn't have voted for him. I've met and talked with him in person and he is a wonderful and attentive gentleman. He would have made a grand president, but people are worried about security, which BTW, is something Obama nor Clinton can bring.

And you are right - it's best not to post politics if you argue about it. Religion, also, for that matter. lol

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I'm voting for a President not a pastor. :D

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Don't tell me, you think the US should police the planet?

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Amen. We vote for the man who we think has the best policies and move on hoping they will do their best and not cause too much damage. Democrat or Republican....neither is more righteous than the other. And sadly, while the Republicans appear to stand for things I believe in on paper, they don't act on any of those beliefs.

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How can you ask that when you know countries depend on the USA to bail them out?

Anyway, had fun posting, but I am log overdue on posting today!

Gotta run!

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press, dont do it, some of these guys think we can talk the muslims into peace, they dont get it, but you keep tryin, dt

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You crack my up! When I read this post, I was reminded of the all the times you would get so riled up here while discussing politics (and religion too for that matter). Oh, by the way, I noticed your dig up there about Obama and Clinton, but I wouldn't have taken that as you trying to bait me for some showdown over who was the better Presidential candidate like I have seen you do with others, so don't worry.

Have a great evening!

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I didn't quite understand what you were conveying, here DT.

I don't believe in dialoguing with rogue nations. It makes us seem weak and we don't want that. It's a diplomatic stance that every country's rulers understand. Sanctions is our strong no-talk diplomacy.

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i was funnin press, the libs think we can talk these people out of hating us and wanting to kill us, it wont work and they dont get it, be cool sis, dt

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I didn't consider that a dig. It was my opinion about them on foreign policy.

I don't recall becoming riled up about politics, but I do remember becoming riled up on religion. :D

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Isn't that funny how McCain points out that Obama is criticizing Iraq, but hasn't visited in two years? NOW, Obama is scheduling going this summer and when will that be? - when he needs the polls to reflect a higher rating for him and especially before August! :toofunny

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but of course, lol,dt

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Nobody is going to convince radical Islamic extremists to like us. These extremists use inflammatory rhetoric and propaganda to inflame the citizens of the Middle East. This causes considerable social destabilization in many countries. More moderate Islamic nations need to be courted by the U.S. and we need to help them realize that we’re looking out for their survival. For example Islamic extremists would love to destabilize and take over the more moderate nation of Jordan. We do well to talk to Jordan and strengthen ties with them. This will both protect our interests and protect the governments that are moderate from falling into radical Islamic hands.

You can’t broker peace or build a case for war unless talks have been conducted. Standards of Just War require talking and diplomacy before the last resort of war is used.

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We should be reminded that McCain was caught in a series of lies about his Iraq visit.

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I think Bush had really hurt McCain's chances of winning. If Obama becomes President...thank Bush. :lol

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We had a Tornado in Missouri a couple weeks ago, thank Bush for that too. :)

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The reality is that, with or without the United States, there is going to be a United Nations. As tough as the USA is, we still do not have the ability to take on the whole world at once. If there is going to be a UN, then we need to be involved and in control of as much of it as we can.

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But not the way Clinton involved our Military with the UN.

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If you are talking about the NOT wearing of body armour, I heard the same information, a couple of days ago, involving other military personal who didn't wear body armour every time they go out. It was a solider being interviewed.

AND

If you are talking about the Humvees not having armour plates that is also true. I personally know someone that works on getting these out to be shipped and they said that not all of them have the armour plates, but they are trying to get them all equipped.

On the pre-surge numbers. I don't have my facts on that.

Found the point made and am adding it here. 3 of the 5 brigades that were involved in the pre-surge are heading back to the US.The remaining two will be back by July. That didn't bring down the number of troops in Iraq from pre-surge. though. So, apparently McCain is focusing on the brigades and not the numbers.

There is one thing to remember about this - McCain stood on the side of the surge when it was not a popular thing to do politically and it was effective. So, even though the attention was diverted to numbers and not how many brigades he knows what he is doing militarily.

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PO,

Here was a perfect example of how one could be influenced by the spin doctors that McCain was the man needed for continued success in Iraq. He has made several gaffes in the last few months that Fox News didn't cover in their evening news.

Here are a few videos showing McCain doesn't have a clear grasp on the facts or perhaps his age. Perhaps, he is too old to be our President? That doesn't mean he isn't a great American...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jkfM7z0-Vdg

Please note that during that trip to the Middle East, it was noted that he "misspoke" a total of three times regarding Iran and Al Queda

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UMmbtlRBiCM

He claimed that we had drawn down 3 out of the 5 brigades in Iraq (pre-surge levels), which the facts would indicate that wasn't the truth. It gave the impression that he doesn't have a clue of what really is going on with our troop level in Iraq.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zk8H63GMMRU&feature=related

Here he was spinning the truth and stating that Mosul was quit when in fact on that day, 5/29/08, there was a car bomb that killed 16 people. The surge hasn't been the success story that he and others have wanted the American public to know....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6kzCR07PQ

More spin....

I'll be able to provide more proof that McCain doesn't have a grip on the reality of the situation on the ground in Iraq.

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Thanks for the clips. From my research I see that McCain is not lying and the media is making it seem that he is. My above post references all of the points made in the ridiculous video clips. That is a good example of "spinning" to me.

I don't check my sources on YouTube, but if the clips check out with facts from other sources, I will post a clip from that site.

His mistake on Al-Qaeda in Iran was just a minor mistake. Anyone could accidentally say Al-Qaeda. Why? Because Al-Qaeda is who we went after at the start of the war.

Thanks and nice try. I'm not buying it.

McCain is saying they are drawing down as sources say that all five brigades that went into the surge will be home in July. The 4th is on it's way and the 5th will be home in July. That is a drawing down and not a lie. The media totally spun that for all it's worth. He isn't going to say he misspoke because he didn't. The brigades are coming home and that is a drawing down.

I have a relative that works at Ft Erwin in California who is responsible for getting the Humvees ready for transport. He said that they have not all had metal plates and were using sand bags for protection.

Also, I watched a solider being interviewed a couple of days ago who said they don't always wear their armour when out in the streets. So, I will believe all of these things I have checked and heard reported by sources I view as reliable.

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Here's an example of how conservatism has been hijacked by the neocon globalists. Conservatives have consistently voiced how the United States shouldn't be part of a global socialist organization. But NOW conservatives have been conditioned to think like the globalists. Notice also the "take on the world" notions of subconscious fascism. Conservatives don't want to take on the world and don't think the US should. Conservatives simply believe that the US is best being...the US, not the global empire.

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Well, sister, I have always appreciated your spunk when you have discussed your arbitrary opinions of McCain. I simply wanted to share with you that there were many, many sources of information where you could draw from in order to have all the facts when forming an opinion on McCain.

BTW, you are one of my top 5 favorite posters here on AFF. Please don't change the "straight talk" approach that you've adopted here on AFF.

Go, Ron Paul 2008!

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That is a great website! I have visited it many times these last few months.

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Thank you for the compliments. I must be spunky and say that I think your word choice of "arbitrary" opinions was rude and uncalled for in this discussion.

If I pointed out anything I did not agree with in your posts I did not articulate that toward your character but subject matter.

I see no point in dialoguing with you on politics. I also don't go to Micheal Moore type links for my information or points to be made.