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ReformedDave 03-27-2007 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54486)
I remember a spelling lesson in High school where the teacher made sure I knew how to spell assume because he said "remember, when you assume you made an ... out of you and me"

Can I say that Boom?


Donkey????

rgcraig 03-27-2007 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsMcD (Post 54174)
Well, stop looking. :slaphappy

Have you heard of the bleeding Pharisees?


They shielded their eyes so not to be tempted by looking upon a woman and ran into things........................:toofunny

Praxeas 03-27-2007 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 54496)
Donkey????

Yeah...something like that....or was it Jack's last name?

ThePastorsCoach 03-27-2007 09:23 PM

I still think that men should dress like men and women like women!!! Its what I was taught and I am sticking to it!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ronzo 03-27-2007 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54671)
Yeah...something like that....or was it Jack's last name?

:D

Sister Truth Seeker 03-28-2007 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 54290)
See we don't need more rules. We need principles and convictions. We need true Holiness...something that seems to be lost on many including those that claim to be Liberals and those that claim to be Conservtives

Consecratioin, and devotion to God...we will be holy if we put Him first....I seek Him in all things...HOLINESS is not a dress it's an attitude....

Rhoni 03-28-2007 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Truth Seeker (Post 55500)
Consecratioin, and devotion to God...we will be holy if we put Him first....I seek Him in all things...HOLINESS is not a dress it's an attitude....

Sis. STS,

I think you have reached the point I have...these threads about dress standards are all distractions from what the real problem is...a lack of Holiness; the nature and character of God.

Let's talk about the real issue.

Blessings, Rhoni

Coonskinner 03-28-2007 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 54584)
Have you heard of the bleeding Pharisees?


They shielded their eyes so not to be tempted by looking upon a woman and ran into things........................:toofunny

What a deal...I personally believe it is possible to acknowledge a woman's beauty without lusting after her. Good grief.

Having said that, however, there is no excuse for the way some young girls, in pentecost and out, are dressing.

I have to wonder what in the world their mothers are thinking by allowing them to go out of the house the way they do.

I almost hate to see summer coming because of the parade of flesh that it brings.

Rhoni 03-28-2007 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 55511)
What a deal...I personally believe it is possible to acknowledge a woman's beauty without lusting after her. Good grief.

Having said that, however, there is no excuse for the way some young girls, in pentecost and out, are dressing.

I have to wonder what in the world their mothers are thinking by allowing them to go out of the house the way they do.

I almost hate to see summer coming because of the parade of flesh that it brings.

Most of us will agree that the Pharisees were Godly men, at least from observation of their strict adherence to the Law. Even in their times the Jews were able to recognize the hypocrisy that often times accompanies the Pahrisee's pious attempts at religious perfection. I find it interesting the Talmud's distinction of the seven different types of Pharisees and wonder if we can recognize oursleves in any one of the types or bits and pieces of several of the types it lists:

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1. The Shoulder Pharisee - meticulously follows the law but wears his/her good deeds on their should for all the world to see.
2. The Wait-a-little Pharisee - those who offer vaild excuses for not doing the good deeds they know to do. A person who speaks great things but does not act on them.
3. The Bruised or Bleeding Pharisee - the one so intent on avoiding evil or temptaion that they close their eyes and run into things - displaying obvious bruises to prove their piety.
4. The Hump-backed or Tumbling Pharisee - Those so determined to look humble that they are completely bent over, shuffle their feet, and often trip over obstacles.
5. The Ever-Reckoning or Compounding Pharisee - Those forever counting up their good deeds in the belief that each one puts God further in him/her debt.
6. The Timid or Fearing Pharisee - Those always in dread of divine punishment, continually cleansing the outside of the cup and platter with the intent to escape God's wrath, and then lastly...
7. The God-Fearing Pharisee - defined by the Jews themselves as ones who truly love God. This Pharisee found pleasure rather than drudgery in obeying God's Law no matter how difficult it might be.

I find myself in almost all categories at on time or another in my life. Jesus was not so kind as he denounced the Pharisees and their pious attempts at self-induced holiness. Jesus ripped of the facade of the Pharisees religiosity, and called the Pharisees "whitewashed tombs...full of dead men's bones" [Matthew 23-27].

Whitewashed tombs were common in Jesus' day, especially during the Passover or other religious festivals. Graves were painted white so nobody would trip over them and become unclean and unfit to worship. These tombs looked beautiful on the outside but inside were filled with dead, rotting things and everything unclean. Jesus himself advise us to ignore the outside because what is on the inside is what really counts.

The Whitewashed Tomb Syndrome -is defined as the dangerous belief that we can somehow make ourselves presentable to God through our own human effort. Not only are such efforts pointless, and fruitless...but they are not necessary...

How many times are we caught up in the outer manifestations of what we consider holiness to be only to have the outward appearnace of a tomb and inside everything is dead or dying in us.

Sincerely, Rhoni

CupCake 03-28-2007 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 55514)
How many times are we caught up in the outer manifestations of what we consider holiness to be only to have the outward appearnace of a tomb and inside everything is dead or dying in us.

Sincerely, Rhoni

Rhoni, very good!

Coonskinner 03-28-2007 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 55514)
Most of us will agree that the Pharisees were Godly men, at least from observation of their strict adherence to the Law. Even in their times the Jews were able to recognize the hypocrisy that often times accompanies the Pahrisee's pious attempts at religious perfection. I find it interesting the Talmud's distinction of the seven different types of Pharisees and wonder if we can recognize oursleves in any one of the types or bits and pieces of several of the types it lists:

I find myself in almost all categories at on time or another in my life. Jesus was not so kind as he denounced the Pharisees and their pious attempts at self-induced holiness. Jesus ripped of the facade of the Pharisees religiosity, and called the Pharisees "whitewashed tombs...full of dead men's bones" [Matthew 23-27].

Whitewashed tombs were common in Jesus' day, especially during the Passover or other religious festivals. Graves were painted white so nobody would trip over them and become unclean and unfit to worship. These tombs looked beautiful on the outside but inside were filled with dead, rotting things and everything unclean. Jesus himself advise us to ignore the outside because what is on the inside is what really counts.

The Whitewashed Tomb Syndrome -is defined as the dangerous belief that we can somehow make ourselves presentable to God through our own human effort. Not only are such efforts pointless, and fruitless...but they are not necessary...

How many times are we caught up in the outer manifestations of what we consider holiness to be only to have the outward appearnace of a tomb and inside everything is dead or dying in us.

Sincerely, Rhoni

I want to address this portion of your post:

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How many times are we caught up in the outer manifestations of what we consider holiness to be only to have the outward appearnace of a tomb and inside everything is dead or dying in us.
This is a strawman.

I don't know anybody who believes that only outward issues are relevant to holiness. I certainly don't believe, teach, or example that.

The idea, however, that we can be holy on the inside without it ever manifesting outwardly is bogus and unScriptural.

revrandy 03-28-2007 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 55645)
I want to address this portion of your post:



This is a strawman.

I don't know anybody who believes that only outward issues are relevant to holiness. I certainly don't believe, teach, or example that.

The idea, however, that we can be holy on the inside without it ever manifesting outwardly is bogus and unScriptural.

CS... This is probaly true for your church and others.. but there are some really dead dry wood out there that needs a fire lit under them... for sure...

the term "disdain" comes to mind... at times.. I think that there are some churches in a rut... that when it comes to "Holiness" if they look the part... act the part... but they don't live the part... They have pride for what they look like but have disdain for others....


That is why Shepherds are important... the Shepherd leads the sheep.. if he is withered on the inside whether from burnout..exaustion... or just plain unhappy the flock will follow suit... that being said... You can't judge the whole by just a few... and I for one would hope the Dry Bones Church is the Few!!

Shepherds who are withered usually become blind to these things.. thereby setting off a chain of events that wind up destroying the church....

Something had withered in Eli so much that he didn't see his sons destroying the church....He looked the part....acted the part...but lost sight of what it meant to be in the position he was... and the people followed suit...

just some thoughts...

Felicity 03-28-2007 10:17 AM

Once again "balance" is key. Yes, the outside should manifest what is inside. You can't neglect the outside of the cup. How many would want to drink from a cup that is clean inside but outside, sticky and greasy and dirty?

Not me. :tiphat

SDG 03-28-2007 10:20 AM

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How many times are we caught up in the outer manifestations of what we consider holiness to be only to have the outward appearnace of a tomb and inside everything is dead or dying in us.
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This is a strawman.

I don't know anybody who believes that only outward issues are relevant to holiness. I certainly don't believe, teach, or example that.

The idea, however, that we can be holy on the inside without it ever manifesting outwardly is bogus and unScriptural.
I don't think Rhoni said this is done exclusively ... she said ... all of us [we] ... can be caught up with outward issues .... which could be standards or visible behaviors we use to impress others ... without also focusing on the inward ... our heart ...

NO STRAWMAN HERE ... JUST TRUTH.

Sister Truth Seeker 03-28-2007 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 55510)
Sis. STS,

I think you have reached the point I have...these threads about dress standards are all distractions from what the real problem is...a lack of Holiness; the nature and character of God.

Let's talk about the real issue.

Blessings, Rhoni

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