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I agree. But you did not answer me. Did Jesus feel forsaken or not? Did He actually thirst or not? Did the bible foretell He would make these statements because He actually was expressing what He described he was experiencing when He fulfilled them? Or did he merely say it without any feeling about it, just for the sake of fulfilling scripture?

If he did NOT feel the things He said and merely said them to fulfill scripture, then his words were lies, brother. They were not true of Himself. Jesus is not a liar. Nor is He another person apart from God Almighty. HIS HUMANITY ACTUALLY FELT FORSAKEN.

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DID HE NEED TO BE BAPTIZED OR NOT?

Brother Blume what Brother Burk said was crystal clear.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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Yes I did answer you. This is what I said.

So then you believe Jesus DID need baptized? Really?

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David Bernard wrote this in THE ONENESS OF GOD

That is what I meant by comfort of the Spirit withdrawn from His soul, although the Deity in Him never left the body.

Is Bernard clear enough?

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...al/One-Ch8.htm

Maybe David Bernard is not Oneness, though.

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There was nothing about Jesus that had anything to do with sin until He went to the cross, and then it was our sins, not His. So his baptism was for no need of sin. He did it for our example. But that is a far cry from crying in agony about His human nature feeling forsaken after having taken our sins upon Hiimself. He was not lying nor pretending nor just fulfilling prophecy. To say He merely said it to fulfill prophecy loses the point of the whole prophecy which actually was foretelling he would cry those words forth in utterance of what He REALLY felt. He fulfilled prophecy as well as ACTUALLY FELT what He said. HE DID NOT LIE.

I agree with Bernard about this. But I guess you think that means we're not oneness. Ok. Whatever you say. :) Like I'm really going to take your words over Bernard's,... no offense intended. I have Bernard's email address and you can give him the same shake-down you did to me about this. lol ;)

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"feeling" alone is not the same as BEING alone. Either he only felt spirituall dead or he spiritually DID die.

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Hey, no offense taken at all!

I mean no disrespect toward Bro. Bernard, but since you brought him up…in their Godhead debate, didn't Bernard tell the Trinitarian preacher, Gene Cook, Jr., that they both believed in the SAME God? :uhoh

Either way, I am “One God,” and I am not looking for a way to assimilate with Trinitarian teachings on the godhead. I am also not looking for ways to include Trinitarians in the pulpit or label them as “apostles.” So you go ahead and agree with whoever you want...

Be blessed in your studies….

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I'll step into this one cautiously....

I do believe that He had to be. Because he is our high priest. The high priest had to ritually wash, or be baptized, before entering into service. Jesus came to fulfill the law, not to destroy it. Therefore, he had to be baptized in order to fulfill that obligation of the high priest.

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Sure it;s the same God, only they divide Him into three persons erringly.

Little dig, there, huh?

You, too. :)

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If one believes "the blood is applied" only in baptism, then the baptism of Christ gets to be very strange indeed.

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“Only they divide Him into THREE PERSON erringly”? “ONLY”?? Is that really how you feel? So you don’t feel it is a big deal if someone makes One God into three?

Only you would know how tightly the shoe fits…. ;)

What I said is what I said, and that is that me and my house are One God. There is only One God. That is what I know is in the Bible. It is how I am going to stay. It is also the conviction on which I stand. Whatever else you believe about this is your choice.

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In Acts chapter 17 there is a story of the Apostle Paul being alone in the city of Athens in the summer or fall of AD 51. He saw the city "wholly given to idolatry" and spent time in the synagogue and the market place (agora) reasoning and discussing with them. He was invited to address some philosophers in a place called Mars Hill or Areopagus, named after Mars (the Roman god of war) and Ares (the Greek god of war). Paul had been teaching about Iesous (Jesus) and Anastasia (Resurrection) and they thought that he might have some new gods to tell them about. Paul spoke to them about an altar he had seen which was inscribed to "agnosto theo" (the unknown god) and said, "Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you" (Acts 17:23). Wasn't that in a sense saying, "You and I worship the same God but you need a better understanding of Him"?

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Thanks for the question.

Paul's usage of this altar came because "all the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there would spend their time in nothing except telling or hearing something new" (Act 17:21). Paul then concluded that they were "very religious" (Acts 17:22). This ignorance and religiosity is what prompted them to make the inscription, "To the unknown god." Paul used this to speak to them about the One God, Jesus. He even said that "the times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent" (Act 17:30). In other words, God now calls all those who worship idols to repent of their sin.

Their false gods and Paul's One God is not the same God. Paul made this clear (Acts 17:29). To believe otherwise would be like saying a Hindu can just add Jesus to their growing list of gods and then claim he had already been worshipping the One True God. God is a jealous God. He does not allow another to be worshipped before Him. You cannot believe in a false god and then claim him to be the One True God.

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Just because a Trinitarian believes something does not make it not true. That is a logical fallacy. They teach Jesus was born of a virgin...is that wrong because they are Trinitarians? So to reject something on the basis that they teach it, is really pretty dumb because it just might be true

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You are being semantical. Do you know what the word only means? If I said "there is only one God" would you go "Only?!?! ONLY????? Is THAT how you really feel? One God is not a big deal? He's using the word only to mean "except"

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AMEN!!! I agree 100%! I never said anything contrary.

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Yep and he has Jesus ONLY dying spiritually on the cross too. :nah

You're missing what I was saying....

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Actually he has Jesus dying physically, but I did not miss what he said and what you replied with. He used the word "only" to mean except to show how the Trinity is different

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That is not what YOU first saw...

What am I missing here??

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I don't really know what you mean by what I first saw...I am talking about Bro Blume. He asserts that Jesus died both physically and spiritually and you said "only spiritually"...kinda confusing


I don't know, but when he said "only they believe in three persons" you hyped that word "only" as if he was implying "that is not a significant point", when it seemed to me by saying "only" he meant "except"..

like if I said "our doctrine and theirs both assert there is One God, except that they claim that God is three persons"...that is not saying that point is insignificant. Only there is used to mean "except that"

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The only controversy that I've seen talked about in his view is that he said Jesus died spiritually. I did not mention the physical because I believed everyone is in agreement with that on this thread. My not mentioning the physical was only because I was focusing only on what had been the topic.

No, I do not think so, but you know what they say, opinions are like noses, everybody has one. :thumbsup

Be blessed, Prax!

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I didn't say you DIDN'T Mention the physical.

You said he said he only died spiritually
That is what you said. You DID say he has Jesus only dying spiritually on the cross. Im saying, no he also has Jesus dying physically


Some people don't have noses...seriously...your smiley face for example just as two eyes, mouth and one hand :ursofunny

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Bloodhounds on this thread. LOL!

When Jesus took on our sins, he felt what we should have felt...

Thank you Jesus.

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He felt the pain and agony of crucifixion as He physically died, yes. However, do you believe He also died spiritually?

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Thank-you, Praxeas. You related exactly what I meant. EXCEPT is the intention of ONLY. Not MERELY.

All in all, folks see the worst when they want to see the worst in anyone's words. Love hopes no evil, though. It thinks the best. However, you cannot explain your true intentions and see such folks accept them. They see what they want and believe what they want.

To say that trinitarians have another "God" than we do, is to say the Holy Ghost they claim to have is also not the same Holy Ghost we have. And to be consistent, one has to also say that any book written by a trinitarian is about a god other than our own God and I am sure Bro Burk and others have Christian books by Trinitarians. That means those books written by trinitarians will mention a different god in every reference to "God" in them, or "Jesus" in them, to be consistent with Bro Burk's views. So, according to him, these brethren will be reading about a false god when they read their books by trinitarian authors, whether the book are full preterist or whatever. The full preterist trinitarian author who writes a book will be writing about a false god coming in judgment in AD70 to Jerusalem.

I believe there are trinitarians who have the same Holy Ghost I do and are genuinely Spirit filled, but they mistaken Him as a third person of a non-existent trinity.

Anyway, I mean they believe the same God of the Bible we believe in and they seek to serve Him as best they know how, and I believe God even uses them. Not another god. EXCEPT (to rephrase my sentence to show Bro Burk his mistaken notion about my intentions) they believe He is mistaken as three persons in their thinking.

(PS: The SHOE FITTING was a dig attacking things and events he knows are associated with my ministry. It was uncalled for, but typical.)

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Amen. Feeling what we should feel is suffering and is expressed by His Words "My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?" He was not merely quoting words that did not express his feeling. He FELT what He said. His humanity felt that and cried to His deity, just as when Christ prayed to the Father.

Jesus was not lying when He humanly expressed suffering the forsakenness of Deity.

Why even prophesy he would say this? Just to have Him recall scripture and quote it to say He fulfilled prophecy? That is ridiculous. He was prophesied to suffer and actually feel forsakenness from deity, and to in turn express that in a cry. That is what was prophesied.

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Can anyone say "hyperbole"?? :rolleyes2

Okay, let’s say this is said: “He believes Jesus died on the cross, ONLY he thinks Jesus died SPIRITUALLY.” The “only” in this case does not simply mean “except,” for it is used to underscore the major difference found between the two lines of thought. Does this “only” mean that the two views do not agree on every premise of Jesus dying on the cross? Of course not. Does it mean that they disagree on Him dying physically? Again, no, that is not what the “only” emphasizes. The only thing that is underscored is the fact that one believes Jesus died SPIRITUALLY and the other does not. Does this mean they disagree on any other point? We do not know. Does it mean they agree on any other point? Again, we do not know. The only thing we know is that one believes Jesus died SPIRITUALLY and the other does not. Though both views agreeably do find similarities on facts relating to the crucifixion, they still differ on Jesus dying SPIRITUALLY. This difference thus causes their harmony to change to discord. To make light of such a major dissimilarity does not do that which either side holds as biblical Truth justice. Both opinions cannot be correct, so how can they both act as if they do not notice their difference? Since neither opinion is based on the same hermeneutic nor arrives at the same prophetic outcome, only those who do not feel such differences matter could continue focusing on similarities. This does not mean one side should have a PERSONAL problem with those with whom they disagree; what it does mean is that their disagreement on the crucifixion is too huge a disparity for either side to claim they agree on the manner in which Jesus died on the cross. Again, this is not a personal disagreement, but it does affect the manner in which both sides should relate doctrinally.

Adherents to Orthodox Trinitarianism would not agree with Bro. Bernard’s assertion that the Trinitarian God is the same God as found in One God doctrine. All one has to do is read the history of how Trinitarians and One God believers related one to the other through the centuries to know this is true! The Trinitarian preacher debating Bernard even said as much when he answered Bernard that they in fact did NOT believe in the same God. This dissimilarity was the basis for my statement about their differences in belief on God.

Trinitarians believing in three persons and Apostolics believing in One God is more than just an “except” difference. One God believers should see these differences as they are: two seperate teachings on the nature of the godhead. Such variance should therefore disqualify Trinitarians from preaching their view of God in Apostolic One God pulpits. It should also prohibit Apostolics that believe in One God from promoting Trinitarians as being Apostles of Jesus Christ. This is not a dig, it is a reality derived from comparing Trinitarian teachings on the godhead with those found in the Bible and in the Apostolic faith.

Like I said, only you can know how tightly the shoe fits. So if what I said is related to your ministry, as you claim, then that is between you and Jesus Christ. Again, differences should never be personal, but should focus only on doctrinal issues.

Be blessed….

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It is, nevertheless, an "except" difference. Sorry. They read the Word about God and Jesus and all the same verses we read, EXCEPT they read about God and Christ through a perceptual grid and redefine His nature. It is the same God but misunderstood. It's like looking at oneself and refusing to see dishonesty and claiming it is objectivity. Which leads to the following.

Avoidance of explanations and intentions was already predicted. Some people will not even accept an explanation of one's intentions. Wanting to believe a person meant something despite their explanation to the contrary is wanting to be right no matter what. Talk about hyperbole! This just made it worse.

Be careful, lest we call a work of the Holy Ghost in those Trinitarians, who claim Spirit filling, to be a work of the devil, and not the same Holy Ghost we have. But if that is what you adhere to and stand by, THAT is between you and God.

God's Spirit is not come because we have all the truth, but to lead us into all the truth. Jesus said there are harsh repercussions in calling that which is of the Spirit of God to instead be of the devil, while this devil is only real false "god" that exists. Just leave it alone. Whether one wants to be right in every argument or not, some things we leave alone. Does this condone trinity teaching? Of course not. Neither does it propose the Holy Ghost caused them to concoct trinity teaching.

Please. It only worsens with this. When a shoe is designed for a specific person to wear, one does not say, "If the shoe fits, wear it."

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The entire key to analyzing this issue is determining how much the humanity in which God manifested was human. Any humanity about Christ would obviously cry in feeling the weight of our sins. His deity did not take upon Himself our sins, but His humanity did. If God took sin upon His deity, He could not be a Holy God.

Jesus Christ as man suffered in the Garden as well, in asking the Father to provide another way aside from the cross if possible. His humanity felt the pain. But being fully subjugated to the Father, this humanity forfeited His will for God's will. He was not putting anything on when He <"Nevertheless, not my will but thine be done." And that is the same for the cry on the cross.

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We had a man who was coming to church here in Fort Lauderdale. This man claimed to be a millionaire. He wasn't a millionare.

We had another individual who thought she was the second witness in Revelation 11. She wasn't.

People claim lots of different experiences, William Branham's parents claimed that a shaft of light rested upon their sons bed when he was an infant. William Branham claimed that shaft of light was the angel of the Lord.

It wasn't.

A man by the name of Joseph Smith claimed to have the Holy Ghost. Joseph Smith claimed that the Holy Ghost directed him into a revelation that a man MUST have plural wives to enter into glorification.

A man by the name of Jim Jones claimed to have the Holy Ghost and said he was a prophet of God. He left 913 dead bodies in his wake.

It's chapter and verse Brother Blume, not our feelings on how we claim old uncle Pen, was a praying man and spoke in tongues, yet was never baptized in Jesus name. Therefore we feel, and then claim he was saved.

People claim a lot, but we prove it all with the Book.

People who tend to allow their feelings to muddy the waters of their mind, end up going down roads they can never get back from.


That's why your fellowship should be based on chapter and verse. Not on philosophy and feelings. :thumbsup


Yes lead us into all truth, not have us wallow in darkness.


Jesus also warned against blind leaders of the blind.


The Apostle Paul was harsh about those who wanted for filthy lucre sake, would compromise and preach another Jesus, and another spirit.


Yes they leave it alone to the extent of thinking the Trinitarians are going to get Truth through some sort of hockus pocus osmosis. ;)


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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So do you believe there is a problem in seeing God through a “perceptual grid” that is based on the Trinitarian view or in “redefining His nature” through such a perception?

Your predicting such a thing must be why you are not yet seeing what I am posting. It must also be why you keep arguing against something that you cannot show I said in any of my posts.

Where did I say anything like this?

You're not reading my posts, are you? If you would you would see that I said nothing closely relating to your summary.

However, I would like to remind you that the Lord warns against calling the darkness, "light." I would also remind you that He spends a lot of time in the Bible telling us that we should not change the Truth of Him being One God.

What you are AGAIN confusing is that I am NOT speaking against THE PEOPLE, but I am speaking about THEIR DOCTRINE. Therefore, I have not one time said that God may or may not be doing a work with anyone. What I have said is a Trinitarian preacher should not teach his doctrine in an apostolic pulpit. That is what I said and it is also what I know the Bible would have me to stand upon.

First, satan is not a “god.” There is only One God. satan is a created being, thus he cannot be a god.

Second, I never mentioned Truth coming because a person has all Truth. Where did that come from? Are you trying to maybe justify something?

Third, I never said that Trinitarians could not be drawn by God’s Spirit. However, do you believe they are following the Holy Ghost if they remain in Trinitarianism?

Bro. Blume, you were the first to suggest I was speaking of you (see YOUR STATEMENT). I only said if you felt that way you would have to be the one to decide if the information fit your scenario (see MY RESPONSE). With that said, your statement makes no sense whatsoever.

But since you’re speaking along these lines, do you believe Trinitarians should preach their views in apostolic churches? What about calling a Trinitarian an “Apostle”? Is that ever acceptable?

Thanks for keeping it about doctrine and not about persons.... :)

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I think it is seriously important that Christ identified with us in every way in order for Him to truly vicariously die for us. Without the human element of the Son of God in suffering, then there was no need for the human element at all! This is the reason I disagree with divine flesh teachings. Divine flesh implies that Christ did not actually stand as us in His life and death. If His flesh was unlike our own, then He did not die as our kinsman redeemer. And standing as us in His life is vital to our salvation!

And saying He did not suffer the sufferings of a sinner in every way while having our sins is saying He was only a tupperware container, that was not really in identification with us for that vicarious death. And that strikes at the core of the entire work of the cross.

Hebrews 5 stated that during his days in the flesh he prayed with strong crying to him who was able to save him from death. Was this strong crying a charade? Was it pretend? No. It was VERY HUMAN and real. And during those days of flesh, He hung on a cross one day, and cried out.

"During his days of flesh" does not mean there were plural days in which he cried in strong crying. It simply is to be read as that during his incarnation he suffered on the cross and in the Garden, and genuinely cried and suffered in agony. When Jesus cried why Go had forsaken Him, it was humanity crying to God. And He cried to Him who was able to save Him from death. Was that a charade, too, as though His humanity could not actually cry to deity? True oneness understands his humanity was so actually that He really did PRAY and CRY TO GOD. That does not make the Son another person from the Father, but it makes human nature different and distinct from divine nature.

There is a distinction. But it is human nature distinct from divine nature.

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The word vicarious comes from the Latin word for substitute. Just as the Lamb, bull, or goat were substitutes for those who would keep the covenant with God in the OT. Jesus was a substitute for US. The Spirit of GOD did not leave the flesh and blood body, or abandoned the man on the cross. Nor did a Comforting Influence depart in increments from a man dying on the cross, so that He would feel frightened and alone. A suffering and abandoned Christ, screaming out in terror? No, Jesus was quoting the scripture, as He did while He contended with the Jewish religious prior to His death on the cross.

Mat 27:46

"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

Psa 22:1

"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?"

Why would Jesus quote this particular scripture? Because of what the religious Jews were saying to Jesus while He hung on the cross.

In Matthew 27, Mark 15, Luke 23, and John 19, Jesus doesn't cry out until after the Jews had mocked Him on the cross. If you compare Psalm 22 and Matthew 27, Mark 15, Luke 23, and John 19 together you will notice that My God my God is mentioned first in Psalm 22, and the description of the mocking follows. In Matthew 27, Mark 15, Luke 23, and John 19 , you first have the mocking and then Jesus cries out. Showing the religious Jews that they had just fulfilled the very scripture prophesied by King David in the Psalm.

Mat 27:37-39

"And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS. Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left. And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,"

Mark 15:29-32

"And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, Save thyself, and come down from the cross. Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save. Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him."

Psa 22:7

"All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,"

Mat 27:42-43

"He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him. He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God."


Psa 22:8

"He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him."

Mat 27:35

"And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots."

Mark 15:24

"And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take."

Luke 23:34

"Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots."

John 19:24

"They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did."

Psa 22:18

"They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture."

The Psalm, at this point changes to speak of the delivering power, after everything that was spoken of in the Psalm was accomplished, Jesus SCREAMS OUT THE BEGINNING OF THE PSALM!!!!

ELOI ELOI LAMA SABACHTHANI!!!!

The soliders are casting lots for Jesus' garments, the Jewish leadership mock and taunt Jesus on the cross, they mock Jesus to come down, and then they will believe. Then Jesus screams the scripture down from off the cross. Those who mocked, those who jeered, those who would shoot the lip. They were reminded of the very same prophecy that was sung by the king prophet David. Jesus didn't die spiritually, He didn't loose the Holy Ghost until HE gave up the Ghost. God number one didn't turn his face from god number two. The scripture plainly promises that.

Psa 22:20-31

"Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog. Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns. I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee. Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel. For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; NEITHER HATH HE HID HIS FACE FROM HIM; BUT WHEN HE CRIED UNTO HIM, HE HEARD. My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before themThe meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever. All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations. All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul. A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation. They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this."

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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Methinks Benincasa and Burke have vendetta against Blume, eh, what say you?

:foottap

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Would you like to answer my PM? :thumbsup

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Not at all. I think doctrinal differences should be discussed, expecially if they cause disfellowship. Two differing views cannot both be right. The main thing is while such differences are discussed, both sides must keep their statements DOCTRINAL and not PERSONAL. Sometimes this is not accomplished, but it should be.

I have nothing personal against Bro. Blume. I just do not agree with some of his doctrinal positions. But since a forum like AFF invites these type discussions, we talk.... :thumbsup

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Very good and very plain!!!

Thanks for all the Scripture, for it is the only evidence that truly proves anything is "biblical Truth." I appreciate it when a man can prove with their Bible what they say is Truth instead of just quoting what they believe from their own thoughts.

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Bro. Blume, I just posted the following in the prophecy debate forum in answer to a statement concerning prophecy and divine flesh:

I wholeheartedly believe that Jesus was both “son of God” (God) and “son of man” (human). However, I do not agree that He and God were separated on the cross. Bro. Benincasa beautifully brought to light the account of what truly happened on the cross in his above post. The Scripture he used more than adequately shows that Jesus did not die spiritually, that He did not feel forsaken of God, and that He did fulfill all written of Him even during His crucifixion.

Blessings!

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You noticed? ;)

Anyway, I used IGNORE, since I suspected as much would only continue, so y'all can enjoy their words.

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Any thoughts about Christ's need to suffer in His humanity for our sins aside from physical pain?