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Pardon me, but I'm not a MAN. LOL

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i attend an apostolic church bro epley. in fact some would call it ulta con . but i guess that aint me since i have internet and some would say true ultras dont have that lol

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Well, then you should put "Nancy" in front of your name, and I won't associate you with ol' blue eyes. :D

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:ursofunny

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:gotcha

Tell me the truth. Which is more productive, a thread bemoaning there are no more prophets in Israel, or a discussion about giving a drink in the name of the Lord?

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Elder, I figure "what's the use, it isn't as widely believed, preached or held up the way it used to be?"

I am not talking about standards either, I am talking about Acts 2:38 One God message which should be without question.

Sad!

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My pastor would have a bone to pick with you on that!!

The voice of the Lord spoke to him in his car when he was a mean, antagonist atheist. When he asked who the voice belonged to, "I am Jesus" was the answer!

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Some folks tend to get an Elijah complex at times. :bigbaby 1 Kings 19:13-15

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Well there you go. "Apostolic" being brought so low it is defined on if a woman trims her hair and wears dresses. I am Apostolic. A disciple of Jesus the Messiah. Oneness and Acts 2:38 is a starting place. There is a long way to go to exhaust the riches of Christ.

I like the name Apostolic. Yet I dont like what it seems to portray to someone like Steve Eply. :thumbsup Hi Steve!

When I was a young Elder in an "Apostolic" Church the Pastor arose and preached on perfection. He defined it as women not cutting their hair or wearing pants. Men keeping their beards cut off and wearing long sleeves only with no wrist watches.

That was my last night in a typical "Apostolic" Church.

As far as this forum I have not made any real life friends here myself. But it is the best Forum I have been aquainted with in 9 years on the net. Not because I agree with everyone but at least I can say what I truly believe and make my case for it.

I would be impressed with a forum whose theme would be "on to perfection".

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Good post!

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We had to suddenly travel to another area of Brazil so I haven't had much of a chance to post ...

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Glad to see your post, I was getting worried! :)

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I think the disconnect is that most here consider themselves Apostolic, however, there are those that wouldn't agree.

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I attend a very strong Apostolic church right outside of Orlando, FL.


I post here, sometimes to vent, to get second and third opinions on things I've already prayed about and read about.

There are things I say here, stands I make here, that I am not so forthcoming with at my place of worship so as to not disrupt the unity over debatable issues.



This place has served as a place of healing and support for me.

The fact that the atmosphere here is not as dogmatic as oh the religious environment of S E North Carolina in the 1990's is refreshing.

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I pastor Mt Pleasant Apostolic Church. We teach repentance, baptism by immersion in the Name of Jesus Christ, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues.

Still won't be "apostolic" enough for some.

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The word Apostolic is used for the Roman Catholic Church in Brazil...

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Good to see you posting, Sis. Alvear.

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Welcome back. :)

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Thanks...still in another area so have limited time on my computer and less time for the net...plan to travel home the end of next week.

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i still consider myself to be an Apsotolic Christian

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(I go to an independant church, but am not hostile to the UPC or any other org)Holiness Church of Jesus Christ :thumbsup

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I go to a UPC and i am not hostile to any of the other churches in town - good friends with the Lutheran Pastor, Christian Church minister and several baptist pastors. :)

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It's amazing to see people coming out of the woodwork for this thread... If you would actually post sometimes, there would be some interesting discussions.

It seems to be that some believe that certain debates should be off the table - while others believe that everything is worth debating. I think many people (myself included) will play devil's advocate (skip the easy joke here please) in order to better understand why we believe the things we do. The points I argue are not always indicative of where I stand. Some are, and some are hypothetical.

I attend a UPC church. We believe in repentence, baptism in Jesus name (22 last Sunday), and receiving the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking with other tongues. I realize that alone isn't enough my many's standards, but I am apostolic. And in my opinion, everything worth believing is worth questioning.

There are great people on this forum. I don't agree with all of them, but I enjoy the conversation. If you are so easily derailed by the conversations then why not go find a "pat me on the back" style forum where everyone can tell each other how great they are. I guess I don't get. If you don't like it - why stick around?

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We just had a luthren minister (military chaplain) as a guest speaker a couple weeks ago.

We are having an AoG pastor as a guest speaker in August and hopefully a Baptist pastor from the church next door yet this year.

Tomorrow we have a guest who will speaking for @ 10 minutes from the Gideons.

We are a non affiliated church with a pastor that holds license with the UPC.

Hope that makes me Apostolic enough for ya all.:heart:heart

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Great post Fritz.

I would just say - it's fine to stick around and disagree with the bulk of the threads if need be.

There are a great many "rooms" here even a prayer room. So everyone find something you enjoy and let the rest of the world go by... :thumbsup

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Bro. Rutledge, I believe in holiness, and the central apostolic doctrine. The problem isn't women cutting hair (I think a woman should have long hair-even if they keep it trimmed), or wearing pants (though I believe dresses to be the most redically femine garment in our society, thus it is best for women to wear them). However these issues don't necessarily define an apostolic or holiness.

I was an ultra, ultra con. I am much more moderate now. Jesus is more interested in saving people, than saving them (Acts 2:38), only to condemn them to hell for trimming their split ends, or wearing a pair of pants.

Here is the problem with ultra cons, when your views (not necessarily yours Bro. Rutledge, but those ultra con views in general)-are challenged, they cannot be backed up with sound scriptural arguments in some cases.

Any view should have solid biblical basis, or should be abandoned in favor of one that does.

PS-I do still believe and preach One God, Acts 2:38, holiness, and biblical Christianity.

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The common denominator here is baptism in Jesus Name and the baptism of the Holy Ghost, but, to some, that is far from enough to qualify as either Apostolic or saved.


A question for Pastor Epley: What portion of the "Jesus Name" movement qualifies as "Apostolic?"

And a couple more: Would Jim Yohe be able to maintain a membership on any Jesus Name forum other than AFF? Would any other forum publish Sister Newman's articles? FCF did.

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My friend I was primarily speaking of baptism in Jesus Name and the HGB with tongues as being Apostolic. Of course you know my feelings as most do about other subjects. Jim Yohe did believe Acts 2:38 it was the foundation for his forum he gave great latitude on the interpetation of that verse it was there we fussed about the PCI & PAJC veiws of the verse. All other subjects were game. But do you follow many threads here?

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:waving I do!

If your definition of "Apostolic church" is:

Repentance
Baptism (by immersion) in the name of Jesus
Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues

That would be my church! :thumbsup

If your definition is what some people call "standards" (I prefer "preference and/or "convictions") - well I hold them - my pastor holds them and teaches them (but not every service) - but we have many people who are welcome to worship with us who don't....

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I was using the term Apostolic is the sense of preaching and practicing Acts 2:38 nothing else on this question.

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In that case, Bro. Epley, I would wager there are a LOT of Apostolics on this board.

I think the dissenters just happen to be more vocal, even though they're relatively few.

*Happy Church Everyone!*

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Well, I read the whole thread-- and wanted to comment on many of these comments. I am having to save it for later though, because my clock says it's NOON-- and that's time for me to leave and get to my church for preservice prayer. I don't want to have to search the thread again to find these quotes. :D I'll be back later to say what I wanted to say.

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Why would someone be insistent to be identified as something that isn't mention in the Bible?

Apostolic is a subjective term.

It a shame we don't have enough of God we have to hang our hats on an subjective identiy.

Identify yourself with a subjective term. I choose to identify myself with Jesus.

An apostolic identity is not scriptural and borderlines if not crosses over into idolatry.

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Amazing. Now someone is so full of God they cannot be identified with the apostles. You know, those Jesus left in charge.

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yes:thumbsup

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God didn't call us to be identified with the apostles. We are to be like Jesus. Period. End of sentence. Anything else is idolatry. If we get up in arms There is a plethora of apostolic definitions. When a doctrine or religion is based on a subjective term, you have Catholicism on one side, witchcraft, us legalism on the other.

Following Jesus doesn't leave ambiguity. Christianity wouldn't be in the mess it is in today. If we stopped following man and started following the creator of man.

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Thanks. :thumbsup.

Agreed. There is no conspiracy here - just people with opinions. And I can only think of two posters on here that are borderline agnostics, and I think it is valuable to have their input. They make very strong points (many of which go undisputed), and I don't that's anything to be afraid of.

Frankly, I don't care what the forum is called as long as the same people are here. I suspect that the "Apostolic" label is problematic to many because they don't want to be associated with the content of the site -- as if Apostolic is some objective term.

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Well, there you have it, folks. Anyone who calls themselves "Apostolic" is hanging their hats on a subjective identity, presumably because they don't have enough of God. LOL!!!!

tv1, do you ever have anything uplifting to post? Be unpredictable; post something that's going to make everyone have warm fuzzies for once. :thumbsup

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C'mon. You know what he means.

If Apostolic meant "like the Apostles", this whole discussion would be moot. But that's not what it means. It means "like a select group of 3-step, oneness believers who have chosen an often arbitrary set of dress codes and standards to define holiness".

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Actually, Bro. Epley already specified that he was not referring to standards with his question.