Just wondering if anybody called RevRandy and idiot or carnal for writing the piece or called anybody that for agreeing with him? I wonder why it happens in the other direction?

Nevermind. I see there's been some other mud-slinging as well.

I agree.

No, those of us who agreed with RevRandy didnt call anybody anything until they called him a fear monger.... then we said some very direct and pointed things to those who said that...

ILG, really, it is a two way street.

Oh and personally, all I said is that this thread made me want to cry.

People that have a problem with tv probably immediately put up a defense toward the post and ignored the good in it. TV isn't my inn but I put the things in the place of TV that are my inn. We all have something to think about.

Good Post... MrsMcD.... :tiphat

I'm glad you got It!!!

And don't forget cultic.

Assinine.

right. but those were constructive i guess.

Right.

Fear mongering, cultic, attempted mind control...all those are constructive I suppose.

Sometimes, to engage in mind control, it would require a lot of skill in micromanagement.:)

Check the spelling on that second word, please :)

"What I have written, I have written.":tiphat

Right. It has been indeed a TWO WAY street. At least for some. :(

Bear in mind who fired the first shot.

Some of these folk that tend to defend TV -- Kinda reminds me of the Stockholm Syndrome.

We are embracing what is holding us, we are supporting a major outreach tool. Do I need to tell you all why TV outreach is a good thing?

Hmmm...wow. Evidently standards doesn't include cursing.

:nah

No! It can never be a good thing! Television is the devil's funbox. It will take you straight to hell.

(but if you wanna flirt with typing a curse word, go ahead . . .)

:toofunny

of course you are

Chaotic you need to repent until you get the "hell" out....of you I mean.

Tv is never the devils funbox....Oh I forgot he is the prince and the power of the air...(airwaves). Give me a break.

You may not even see the damage it does, JT. You might be dead and gone. But, then again, you might see it. Let's talk in 10 and 20 years and compare notes, k? :tiphat

JTullock, your profile said you are in AZ. Is the church you attend in AZ on TV?

I apprecate you changing your mind and recognizing this was not all one sided....


now lets work on realizing who fired first.

No, but the church I was in when I lived in TN was. I lived there and went that church for almost 20 yrs. They have atv program that has been on for about 20 yrs and it started with a radio program. Over that time there have been at least 30-35 families that have came in because of the TV program. Damage, OGIA, not too much if it done right. We did and it brought alot of people. Some of them have become pastors, evangelist. There have been more than 100 people that have came in because of these families.

Sure with too much of anything is not good. But not enough of stuff can hurt too.

CR,

You know, CS can hold his own, but you're smarter than that.

He would no more flirt with cursing than he could quit coon hunting or preaching holiness.

BTW, where I come from the "devil's funbox" has been called devilvision and hellevision.

Apt monikers, I do believe.

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BTW, where I come from the "devil's funbox" has been called devilvision and hellevision.[QUOTE]

I have heard some say this, "people say it is Hellivision, but I think it is Heavensvision to reach the lost."

I'll have to take your word for it, JT. But, you know, Joel Olstein's church has grown quite a bit, too, over the past few years.

As my pastor says, "I want growth, not swelling. Swelling indicates a problem." I pray the church you speak of is growing and not just swelling. :tiphat

Read the thread again. There was even a post written that pointed out the incorrect spelling of the word, and he stated: "What I have written, I have written."

IE, it was deliberate, intentional and flirted with calling someone an ___ (you know).

I don't have a problem with what he said. I'll know better though reading his future posts. He preaches holiness and condemns television but flirts with cursing. Nice.

How does that apply to tv? That is talking about a spring of water.

Also, swelling also happens when you got gas. That does not apply to this. Joel Osteen had a big church for years. His dad was there preaching you gotta get the HG and they grew. Joel took over preaching an easy message and they "swelled." All I can tell you that my Bishop there has not eased up at all. Not even close. Infact, being on TV has made firmer on the doctorine and standards. To compare Osteens and the McCool's church is unfair. They are not on equal playing fields.

So, we have one church then in The Bible Belt.

We thus have not shown it would be so overly successful in surburbia. Some programs are successful in one area and a flop in another. Many years ago, a man went to a major New England city and knocked doors for 6 hours with NOT ONE of his surveys filled out. I remember him stating he had never seen this response, and he said the last church in Texas he had 100 visitors himself.

Do you have any knowledge of any other LARGE (over 250 member) ALJC church in America using TV advertising?

That's good scripture there, OGIA. Let's just not be hypocritical in applying it to one thing, but not others.

Radio
Internet
Billboards
Newspapers
Magazines

It's fun to watch anti-television folks pick and choose what's "okay" and what's not.

:igotit

Our TV show is awesome and brings in lots and lots of families into our church. It has been the most effective outreach we could have ever done and we have seen many lives changed through it. It is preaching only with a professional intro; no music on it. Also, we NEVER EVER ask for money.

A friend I went to Bible School with is from a large UPC church in Arkansas. They run around 500+. They've advertised on television for a few years now. I don't believe they broadcast services though.

Thus far, advertising on television hasn't turned them charasmatic. Nor has it unleashed mass sin in the church. What it has done is allowed the church to reach into more homes each week than they could all year on visitation.

Now, his church still has outreach and door knocking. They give a lot of Home Bible Studies and, from what I've heard, still believe in dress standards. They don't believe, nor do I, that television is the end-all for outreach. Rather it's just another tool and means to reach into a lot of homes.

I wouldn't say they suddenly had 100 new people the week after advertising on television, but they have had significant response to it. Enough to continue on with it.

Yes. A daugther work of the TN church in another town has about 450 going there and they have a tv program too. A church in Va has 300 with a TV broadcast. There is a couple of PAW churches that have tv ministry and run over 400. Also there is a church in Ohio that had a tv ministry at one time and they are 650-700. And there was another in LA that is over 300. So a few.

I think to lump all the churches together and say it will not work is foolish. I am not meaning that is what you are saying, I am just saying this in general. Knocking doors in the south is much easier than anywhere else. The tv thing is not though. Sure the south is open to Christians and ministries. But I will tell you that in those areas that people will not responed to door knocking, if you can get into their homes on tv then you have a greater chance than just door knocking alone.

If someone knocks on a door in New England, like you were saying, people may not respond. But why stop there if you have a Tv program that gets into their homes not matter what they say. If they see it and the contact info in there they might contact you. But if you only knock doors and have no response and that is main focus of the outreach, then you are dead in the water.

There is more than one way to spell donkey.

that isn't cursing.

so now we have gone from a good word rejected to wrangling over Television. so much for the good word.


I LOVE REVRANDY!

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:nah

You really expect people to believe you were talking about a donkey? You weren't. You were speaking towards an individual. You took a word that has a certain meaning, which by the way isn't bad, and changed the meaning by changing the spelling of the word. It insinuated you were calling that individual an _ _ _.

The sad fact is that the Tv Issue is a joke anymore. We have UPC ministers with tv's in their home already, watching ungodliness personified. We have district officials that turn a blind eye to it. And I have it on good terms that there are UPC churches already advertising on tv.

Why worry about a vote? Some are going to do what they want to anyway.