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revrandy 05-25-2007 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 127818)
Wrong Buckwheat. There is a big movement within the SBC that is embrasing the baptism of the Spirit. They currently believe that tongues are to be used only in private. But none-the-less they are gaining momentum.

There's a large group of Catholic Folk now speaking in tongues too..

Nahum 05-25-2007 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127792)
It most definitely is Baptist doctrine. This theology would be embraced by Billy Graham, Jimmy Swaggert and all the rest of the easy-believism crowd. Combine this theology with the trinitarian leanings and it's as if nothing truly Apostolic was ever present.

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127801)
You're a long way from home Daniel.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127808)
EGGHHHHHHHH .... wrong again most baptists are cessassionists and do not believe in the Pentecostal view of the baptism of the Holy Ghost ....

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127810)
Our movement is filled w/ hundreds who believe they are not saved because they have not spoken in tongues after weeks ... months ... years of seeking ....

they go through marathon sessions with folks yelling and coaching them in their ears ... while patting them on the back ... giving them hound dog eyes and a wince ....i

f they don't receive it that night ... and must go home thinking they will be lost for eternity until it happens ... or worse .. they feel rejected and despondent and turn to sin once again ...

At this point, I think it is a great stretch of faith to think that you, I and Randy are part of the same movement. You deny that baptism has any efficacy, that one can receive the Holy Ghost without the evidence present, and then say we are part of the same movement?

Add to that your total disdain for our beliefs, and you have a potent cocktail of cynicism and mockery. The Holy Ghost is a promise. A gift. But that gift is only available to a truly repentant heart.

SDG 05-25-2007 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 127818)
Wrong Buckwheat. There is a big movement within the SBC that is embrasing the baptism of the Spirit. They currently believe that tongues are to be used only in private. But none-the-less they are gaining momentum.

I said most ... so once again ... blockhead ... you are reading into my post ... the a marginal movement in the SBC does not include the ENTIRE BAPTIST MOVEMENT.

BoredOutOfMyMind 05-25-2007 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127821)
Wrong again. We've had these discussions countless times .... actually Elder Epley almost left the forum when the topic of Jesus name baptism came up several weeks ago ... he did not like my response or that of another poster.

That was then, what about THIS thread.

:didimiss

SDG 05-25-2007 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 127823)
There's a large group of Catholic Folk now speaking in tongues too..

They're looking our way....

SDG 05-25-2007 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 127828)
That was then, what about THIS thread.

:didimiss

I was responding to your false claim that I have never been asked this question.

Jack Shephard 05-25-2007 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 127818)
Wrong Buckwheat. There is a big movement within the SBC that is embrasing the baptism of the Spirit. They currently believe that tongues are to be used only in private. But none-the-less they are gaining momentum.

One question.....why was it on their resolutions this past year to dissallow saints to use tongues?

SDG 05-25-2007 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127826)
At this point, I think it is a great stretch of faith to think that you, I and Randy are part of the same movement. You deny that baptism has any efficacy, that one can receive the Holy Ghost, and then say we are part of the same movement?

Add to that your total disdain for our beliefs, and you have a potent cocktail of cynicism and mockery. The Holy Ghost is a promise. A gift. But that gift is only available to a truly repentant heart.

I will not discuss doctrinal issues w/ you PP ... as per your request.

revrandy 05-25-2007 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127829)
They're looking our way....

I believe that thru the Power of the Holy Ghost God can reveal to them truth.. I don't doubt that for a moment!

Nahum 05-25-2007 04:03 PM

Again, we are not parts of the same movement. The doctrine Daniel and his friend are promoting is heresy. It will lead souls to hell.

BoredOutOfMyMind 05-25-2007 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127827)
I said most ... so once again ... blockhead ... you are reading into my post ... the a marginal movement in the SBC does not include the ENTIRE BAPTIST MOVEMENT.

Does TBN define the XUPC movement?

SDG 05-25-2007 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 127822)
Have you seen this happen? Or are you going on others word? I watch TBN all the time and esspecially when any of the "ex's" are on there. I have seen them lead in the sinners prayer, for repentance. I have never seen them or heard them say now you are saved.

but ... but ... but ... it has to be because ... someone said they believe in easy-believism .... :haloplug

revrandy 05-25-2007 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 127839)
Does TBN define the XUPC movement?

it reaps from it....imo..

Nahum 05-25-2007 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127833)
I will not discuss doctrinal issues w/ you PP ... as per your request.


No really, it's okay. I'm over it. But stick to the issues.

Your doctrine is heresy.

SDG 05-25-2007 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 127839)
Does TBN define the XUPC movement?

Who knows ... I don't watch it ....

SDG 05-25-2007 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127845)
No really, it's okay. I'm over it. But stick to the issues.

Your doctrine is heresy.

As is yours ....:bubble

Jack Shephard 05-25-2007 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127837)
Again, we are not parts of the same movement. The doctrine Daniel and his friend are promoting is heresy. It will lead souls to hell.

Am I the friend promoting heresy? I am leading people to hell? How so?

Charlie Brown 05-25-2007 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 127822)
Have you seen this happen? Or are you going on others word? I watch TBN all the time and esspecially when any of the "ex's" are on there. I have seen them lead in the sinners prayer, for repentance. I have never seen them or heard them say now you are saved.

Tommy Tenney
Randy Phillips
Steve Munsey




I am sure I could think of others given the time. These were UPCI men (not sure if Phillips carried a license)

ReformedDave 05-25-2007 04:06 PM

Makes me so very glad I've left..............

BoredOutOfMyMind 05-25-2007 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127846)
Who knows ... I don't watch it ....

Back to the dance already.

And here we thought it would be interesting.


Tata Christopher Robbins....

SDG 05-25-2007 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127837)
Again, we are not parts of the same movement. The doctrine Daniel and his friend are promoting is heresy. It will lead souls to hell.

Blame Bishop Goss???

revrandy 05-25-2007 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127853)
Blame Bishop Goss???

On judgement day... you won't be able to say that...

SDG 05-25-2007 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 127852)
Back to the dance already.

And here we thought it would be interesting.


Tata Christopher Robbins....

No sir ... you asked a question about a network I've seen perhaps 3 times ... in my life ... I can't answer your XUPC/TBN question .... and hence the response I've give ... the 'dancing' ploy is old and stale.

Jack Shephard 05-25-2007 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 127850)
Tommy Tenney
Randy Phillips
Steve Munsey




I am sure I could think of others given the time. These were UPCI men (not sure if Phillips carried a license)

You have seen them pray the Roman Road and then say now you are saved? give me break.

SDG 05-25-2007 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 127855)
On judgement day... you won't be able to say that...

I'm responsible for myself ... as you are if you are teaching extrabiblical doctrine.

Jack Shephard 05-25-2007 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 127855)
On judgement day... you won't be able to say that...

Who are you gonna point the finger at on that day?

SDG 05-25-2007 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 127860)
You have seen them pray the Roman Road and then say now you are saved? give me break.

More puppeteering on the part of my UC PAJC brethren

revrandy 05-25-2007 04:11 PM

Most folks I've seen become who they hang with...

Nahum 05-25-2007 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 127855)
On judgement day... you won't be able to say that...


Nope.

Here's what disturbs me about this repetitive conversation with Daniel and others who have left what they once proclaimed as truth.

They deny the power of the name in baptism. They deny the fact that God's Spirit comes with signs following. They deny everything aside from repentance is essential to salvation.

And here is the kicker. They then go on to say that we are part of the same movement.

Hogwash.

For once, why not call it what it is? They have returned to a pre-twentieth century understanding of Oneness Pentecostalism, and true Apostolic power is absent from that understanding. They have rejected the basic tenants of the Apostolic faith. They have embraced the greater whoredom of Christendom in the name of ecumenicalism and tolerance.

BoredOutOfMyMind 05-25-2007 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 127865)
Who are you gonna point the finger at on that day?

Our fingering will mean nothing.

"Have we not said Lord, Lord, and in that day I will say I never knew you..."

Everyone gets to go to Heaven- not Everyone gets to stay there.

Jack Shephard 05-25-2007 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127866)
More puppeteering on the part of my UC PAJC brethren

Too many attached strings I guess....I think that it is funny with these people. If someone for years follows exactly what they do then they are considered brethren. However, once they stick up for what they really believe then they are out cast as people who believe heresy.

Charlie Brown 05-25-2007 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 127814)
I disagree with you, unless of course they never believed Apostolic doctrine to begin with.

If I believe that it takes Jesus name Baptism, and the infilling of the holy ghost to make it, and then I go on TBN and lead sinners in a "sinners prayer", and then tell them they are saved, do I really believe what I used to??

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 127860)
You have seen them pray the Roman Road and then say now you are saved? give me break.

My bad. I have not heard all of them "ON TBN" itself. But yes, I have heard all three of them do it.

revrandy 05-25-2007 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127869)
Nope.

Here's what disturbs me about this repetitive conversation with Daniel and others who have left what they once proclaimed as truth.

They deny the power of the name in baptism. They deny the fact that God's Spirit comes with signs following. They deny everything aside from repentance is essential to salvation.

And here is the kicker. They then go on to say that we are part of the same movement.

Hogwash.

For once, why not call it what it is. They have returned to a pre-twentieth century understanding of Oneness Pentecostalism. They have rejected the basic tenants of the Apostolic faith. They have embraced the greater whoredom of Christendom in the name of ecumenicalism and tolerance.

"We're all the Same" seems to be Paul Crouch's TBN Cry... I say if your a part of that Group your belief means little because it's not what's promoted.. or preached..

Jack Shephard 05-25-2007 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 127871)
Our fingering will mean nothing.

"Have we not said Lord, Lord, and in that day I will say I never knew you..."

Everyone gets to go to Heaven- not Everyone gets to stay there.

Funny. Pointing will do no good there so when everyone tries to point at the others for extra biblical doctrine then what...

Charlie Brown 05-25-2007 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127866)
More puppeteering on the part of my UC PAJC brethren

If you knew who I really was you would not doubt me.

Nahum 05-25-2007 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 127872)
Too many attached strings I guess....I think that it is funny with these people. If someone for years follows exactly what they do then they are considered brethren. However, once they stick up for what they really believe then they are out cast as people who believe heresy.

Not true. You left us when you left the faith.

SDG 05-25-2007 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127869)
Nope.

Here's what disturbs me about this repetitive conversation with Daniel and others who have left what they once proclaimed as truth.

They deny the power of the name in baptism. They deny the fact that God's Spirit comes with signs following. They deny everything aside from repentance is essential to salvation.

And here is the kicker. They then go on to say that we are part of the same movement.

Hogwash.

For once, why not call it what it is. They have returned to a pre-twentieth century understanding of Oneness Pentecostalism. They have rejected the basic tenants of the Apostolic faith. They have embraced the greater whoredom of Christendom in the name of ecumenicalism and tolerance.

You're understanding of truth ... is base on a portion of the Oneness movement ... and it's only 80-90 years old .... it's not what the primitive church believed .....

Once again you put words in people's mouths ... and stand behind your religious garbs satisfied in your idol of perceived truth.

Jack Shephard 05-25-2007 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127869)
Nope.

Here's what disturbs me about this repetitive conversation with Daniel and others who have left what they once proclaimed as truth.

They deny the power of the name in baptism. They deny the fact that God's Spirit comes with signs following. They deny everything aside from repentance is essential to salvation.
And here is the kicker. They then go on to say that we are part of the same movement.

Hogwash.

For once, why not call it what it is? They have returned to a pre-twentieth century understanding of Oneness Pentecostalism, and true Apostolic power is absent from that understanding. They have rejected the basic tenants of the Apostolic faith. They have embraced the greater whoredom of Christendom in the name of ecumenicalism and tolerance.

When have we said that?? Read too much into things lately?

Jack Shephard 05-25-2007 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127877)
Not true. You left us when you left the faith.

I never left the "faith." I left the legalistic mind at the altar one night and now walk in this life with out the legalistics. I am in the faith. The faith encompasses everyone that believes. I do believe!

Nahum 05-25-2007 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127878)
You're understanding of truth ... is base on a portion of the Oneness movement ... and it's only 80-90 years old .... it's not what the primitive church believed .....

Once again you put words in people's mouths ... and stand behind your religious garbs satisfied in your idol of perceived truth.

I do no such thing. This is what Peter preached at Pentecost, and you can't handle it, and can't get around it. There is no erasing it, or watering it down. It is what it is.

1. Repent and
2. Be baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins,
3. And ye shall receive.

It is not my truth - though I fully embrace it. It is God's holy Word.


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