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No, it correlates with mountains of verses that show Jesus physically reigning over the earth and establishing righteousness, Mike.


Must I begin to post these passages of Jesus returning to take over the earth and establish PHYSICAL righteousness in the earth?

Just say yes, if you want to see them.....

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No it is talking about the work of the cross, like the entire bible.

Show me one verse that says Jesus physically rules on the earth in the future. One will be enough.

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ok please don't be asking him to repost all of those verses that he takes literally, that point to the spiritual Revelation. Or just skip right to the sword question so he'll ignore you!

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Man, all this stuff is confusing to me. One would think there would be a simple process to eliminate what is history and what is future.

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2 verses for starters......


Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel......


Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.



Mike, do you disagree with what you just read?

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Sean, when pressed you reveal that you do not even agree with a literal interpretation, at least at Rev, so what are you asking?yes--and i suggest to you that there is. Leaving aside the obvious implications of "Understand I AM" for the moment, all one need do is ask themselves how holding either perspective, or even a belief in some elements of both, changes how they operate right now, which is after all the only place we will ever be. It is always "now," iow, but even a preterist has a belief in a "then." Things will be different then--whenever then might be--than they are now, the only diff being that then will have become now.

So, outlining the differences in a preterist v a futurist perspective of "now" might clarify our widely held confusion, which btw i believe is manufactured, and intended at some level in order to obscure the kingdom.

None of that spoke of him ruling on earth physically. Still waiting.

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Amen good elders

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Okay, you asked for it....

Ezekiel 38King James Version (KJV)

38 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

17 Thus saith the Lord God; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face.

19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord.





Looks a little bit physical to me!!!!




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again, i doubt you could find a preterist who would deny that the future will be different from now; you are intentionally accusing them of something that is not true, and being deliberately obtuse so as not to accept that this is a spiritual fullfillment, which prolly no one fully grasps, perhaps, but which you insist, vehemently, that you have all figured out, Christ spitting swords, and no two ways about it lol. ok.