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Aquila 06-04-2008 11:41 AM
Re: YIKES! The Chip Is Here! you gotta see this!
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 480241)
How is a first century person supposed to know what a chip is? This is a vision. OF course the bible does not mention micro chips. And Revelation is very symbolic. What we know is they will receive some kind of mark. It will be used for buying or selling goods and it will somehow represent the beast
John also saw the following:

Revelation 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

Hmmmmm....do you believe the Church should start issuing it's own microchips for believers to put in their foreheads? :lol

Here bro, this is a contrast in the Revelation. Both marks are spiritual and symbolically represent something greater than the symbols themselves. The "mark of the beast" represents a spiritual branding imposed on those who worship this world's system. This world's system uses economic pressures to get people to cave into it's false idology. The mark symbolizes that the world system owns them. The "name written" in the 144000's foreheads is symbolic of the true believers being owned by the Lord. It's representative of those sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise.

A microchip has no power to condemn the soul. This book is symbolic.

Aquila 06-04-2008 11:42 AM
Re: YIKES! The Chip Is Here! you gotta see this!
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 480242)
The only problem is is that the antichrist causes all to receive the mark...or else...that is not what is happening now
Oh goodness...that's not the only problem. First, it's not in the right hand or forehead.

Aquila 06-04-2008 11:45 AM
Re: YIKES! The Chip Is Here! you gotta see this!
 
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Originally Posted by Brother Price (Post 482943)
OK, let's talk about the hoax, one that is called futurism.

Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. {Matthew 23:36}

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. {Matthew 24:34}

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. {Revelation 1:7}

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. {Revelation 1:1-2}

And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. {Revelation 22:10}

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. {Revelation 22:12}

Now, who shall we believe, futurist lies or the Truth (Jesus Christ) and the followers of that truth? As for me and my house, we shll not serve fear or ignorance, but we shall serve the Lord.
Be nice. Even the Preterist believes that though the mark John happened to be refering to was specifically referencing Nero. There is a "mark" present in every generation. ;)

Right now the biggest threat is a threat to liberty. But when they tie it to worship of a system or a man...then it is another "mark" our generation should be aware of.

Dont' forget the foundations of "applied Preterism".

Aquila 06-04-2008 11:53 AM
Re: YIKES! The Chip Is Here! you gotta see this!
 
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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 483518)
Hehehehehe! Actually, I am smart enough to know that people use whatever point of reference they know to describe things. How would someone describe an airplane, prior to the invention of airplanes? How about a computer? A telephone? Pick any number of our modern conveniences and someone seeing them in a vision a couple thousand years ago. How would they describe what they are seeing?
John saw locusts...not flying chariots. These are released out of the "abyss". Do you believe that all these helicopters are stored in a massive underground bunker somewhere? :lol

Bro...these are "spirits". The "mark" is a symbol representing one's enslavement to the godless world system. In John's day it was enslavement to Nero worship and the adoration of Rome. Under the Roman Catholic Church it was enslavement to and veneration of the power and authority of the Pope. In the early 1900's it was the salute to the Swashtika and Adolph Hitler. Throughout the Muslim world it's one's alligence to Islam. And yes...this might be a vehicle of tyranny...but the "mark" is the spiritual effect of what that this will be used as a to create.

The mark is bigger than just Nero and it's bigger than a silly Microchip. Whatever you make yourself a servant of...it has you marked. I pray you have the name of Jesus in your forehead as we speak my brother. Some are walking around you everyday are are "marked", or enslaved, by sin, idolatry, or this world's system.

Rico 06-04-2008 11:57 AM
Re: YIKES! The Chip Is Here! you gotta see this!
 
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 483535)
John saw locusts...not flying chariots. These are released out of the "abyss". Do you believe that all these helicopters are stored in a massive underground bunker somewhere? :lol

Bro...these are "spirits". The "mark" is a symbol representing one's enslavement to the godless world system. In John's day it was enslavement to Nero worship and the adoration of Rome. Under the Roman Catholic Church it was enslavement to and veneration of the power and authority of the Pope. In the early 1900's it was the salute to the Swashtika and Adolph Hitler. Throughout the Muslim world it's one's alligence to Islam. And yes...this might be a vehicle of tyranny...but the "mark" is the spiritual effect of what that this will be used as a to create.

The mark is bigger than just Nero and it's bigger than a silly Microchip. Whatever you make yourself a servant of...it has you marked.
My opinion is just as valid as yours Aquila. BTW, I haven't said I believe locusts are helicopters. In fact, I haven't commented on what I believe about any of this stuff. I am only pointing out that people are going to use whatever point of reference they know when describing anything. We aren't going to know for sure what John was seeing until it actually manifests itself and we make the connection. Even then, I am sure people will disagree.

Aquila 06-04-2008 12:19 PM
Re: YIKES! The Chip Is Here! you gotta see this!
 
Here's a question....

Anyone willing to wager their immortal soul on this being the mark? :lol

StMark 06-04-2008 12:25 PM
Re: YIKES! The Chip Is Here! you gotta see this!
 
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Originally Posted by Revelationist (Post 483291)
They said the same thing about the S. S. Number. Today it's hard to find a job without one, and everyone has one. In the 70's they turned to the computer for the beast. There was one in Belgium that took up a whole room and they called it the beast. This was all a out right lie, because this computer never existed, but because it come from the mouths of preachers it had to be so.

Besides, if the computer chip is the mark of the beast, what is the mark of those that living for God?

Rev 22:4
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
KJV

Is this a tatoo? A computer chip also? What is this mark that those that are living for God will take? Can someone explain?

This is different. they will be able to know when you are sitting on the comode. this object is going inside your body. they'll know your every step. I think all the other stuff was just a foreshadow of things to come. Americans had to be won over slowly and now that they are PURPOSELY throwing our economy down the toilet( look at gas prices) the masses will be more willing then ever. AND look at the way they are going for OBama! who would have ever thought!!

Rico 06-04-2008 12:29 PM
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I keep reading about "they" in this thread. Who exactly is "they"? "They" are the enemies of all that Christianity and America stands for, yet no one knows who "they" is. The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Bowas 06-04-2008 01:38 PM
Re: YIKES! The Chip Is Here! you gotta see this!
 
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 480242)
The only problem is is that the antichrist causes all to receive the mark...or else...that is not what is happening now
I cannot find a verse anywhere in the Bible that says, "the antichrist causes all to receive the mark...or else"
I have read several books that make that claim, but not THE BOOK!
Please help me find it.
One verse that specifically so states, my inquiring mind right now awaits.

Revelationist 06-04-2008 04:19 PM
Re: YIKES! The Chip Is Here! you gotta see this!
 
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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 483565)
Here's a question....

Anyone willing to wager their immortal soul on this being the mark? :lol
Are you going to pay for it if they are?


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