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How can you rebel against a man-made organization that has NO divine authority? Organizations are made by men and can be used as a tool to promote the work of God but they are NEVER the work of God.

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Re: Are Independent Churches Operating in Rebellio
 

Steve Epley
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Re: Are Independent Churches Operating in Rebellio
How can you rebel against a man-made organization that has NO divine authority? Organizations are made by men and can be used as a tool to promote the work of God but they are NEVER the work of God.

Hey, I think Steve Epley is a rebel!

Re: Are Independent Churches Operating in Rebellio
 

correct...good post

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Charnok, you have pricked my heart, conviction swells deeply within.

I would like for you to be my leader and mentor. Please tell me where to send my dues.

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No.

Yes.


Some yes and some no.

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I don't read it in the bible that way.

I read that the Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles and that what feel on him daily was the care of all the churches,

1Co 4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timothy, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

The way I read it is that Paul had authority over all the Gentile churches and set things in order.

I believe the first pastors of the first churches were the original apostles. Afterwards elders and/or/including a Pastor were to be ordained. Once a pastor could prove that he could look after the church, then an apostle could leave and go elsewhere.

The scripture also talks about governments and in the context of administrations in the gifts of the Spirit, lists a hierarchy...

1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

I believe the 5 fold ministry listed in Ephesian 4:11 along with the scripture above shows that apostles are first, then prophets come second, and that evangelists, pastors, and teachers all come afterwards under the general category of teachers.

If one of the pastors couldn't handle a situation in their church, they could appeal to the apostle Paul and in fact sometimes Paul had to deal with specific situations in the churches.

That's how I see it, but if I'm wrong perhaps someone could correct me with sound doctrine.

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It looks like some NEED an organization...for 40 years I have watched people leave this or that to turn right around and start this or that...It must be our human nature...

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Steve, this gets my vote for quote of the day.:dance

Most Orgs do more harm than good. Stiffle leadership's incentive to listen for the Spirit's leading.

"Son's of God are lead by the Spirit of God." Rom 8:14

God gave mankind the right to make the wrong choices. He didn't interfere when they decided to eat the forbidden fruit. Most of the posts here express the opinion that everybody must be prevented from making mistakes. Let me make a profound statement: "YOU CAN'T STRAIGHTEN EVERYBODY ELSE OUT SO QUIT TRYING"

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There has to be accountability for eveyone even preachers. Some go off the deep end doctrinally. and off into control and manipulation for which the people need safeguards from this type of leadership in place . If not, many times, it comes dangerously close to cultish behaviors, of course some of our organizations do too.

Galatians is a good chapter of the Bible to read!

Blessings, Rhoni