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Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 752329)

What does Acts 2:38 state? something to the effect of they (Will Recieve)that means you will get it...alot of people have died in this world and have not spoke in tongues but have completed all the other steps so did they not have the holyghost cause the bible clearly states you (WILL RECIEVE)

will is future tense...something that will happen hasn't happened.

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

On the day of Pentecost, the Apostle Peter stated, "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Acts 2:21). He was quoting from the prophet Yoel. Some years later, the Apostle Paul affirmed the same thing (Romans 10:8-13).

Peter told the crowd on the Day of Pentecost to follow up their faith and change of heart with a dip in one of the many Temple mikvehs in the name of the Lord (Acts 2:38). He also told them that the empowering of the Holy Spirit as they had seen poured out on people earlier that day was a promise of the Father to anyone that the Lord calls to Himself (Acts 2:38-39).

It is my opinion that we can expect people to follow up their conversion with water baptism, and we can exhort them to, but we cannot say they will not be saved if they don't.

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

So staysharp you are saying everytime you sin you need to get rebaptied? Cause you state that is what washes your sins away..

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

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Originally Posted by staysharp (Post 752330)

will is future tense...something that will happen hasn't happened.

"shall" receive.
It is a promise.
It is up to them to "receive"
not up to God to give.

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

Staysharp, I am really wanting to keep the support of this doctrine to scripture only. Can you please provide scripture that supports the three-step doctrine?

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 752237)

I think everyone agrees that repentance is necessary in order for saving faith. Repentance is not a work but a change of heart and mind toward God. Is everyone in agreement with this? I don't want to get into this discussion until we at least have common ground on the definition of Repentance.

If "work" is defined as anything you can do then repentance is a work. If repentance is not a work the the definition of "works" can't be anything you can do

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 752245)

Three-step doctrine, as I understand it, is the belief that saving faith is not accomplished until Repentance, Water Baptism, and the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues and it takes these three steps before the blood can be applied or new birth can take place.

I think a good place to start would be a general overview of the support for the three-step doctrine.

Pro:
Support for this doctrine is found in;

Acts 2:38
38And Peter said to them,(A) "Repent and(B) be baptized every one of you(C) in the name of Jesus Christ(D) for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive(E) the gift of the Holy Spirit.

John 3:5

John 3:3-8 (English Standard Version)
3Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is(A) born(B) again[a] he cannot(C) see the kingdom of God." 4Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?" 5Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born(D) of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6(E) That which is born of the flesh is(F) flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[b] 7(G) Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You[c] must be born(H) again.' 8(I) The wind[d] blows(J) where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."

These are the first that come to my mind. If anyone can give more support by posting scriptures please do so.

I've heard it said that saving faith is APPLIED at repentance, baptism etc

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 752339)

If "work" is defined as anything you can do then repentance is a work. If repentance is not a work the the definition of "works" can't be anything you can do

I don't think that repentance is anything other than a change of heart. How can that be a work? No work is done. Only that my heart was once hardened and turned away from God and now it is toward God. Any works would happen because of my repentance.

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 752340)

I've heard it said that saving faith is APPLIED at repentance, baptism etc

I have heard the same thing.

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

delta where you on EC?