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Praxeas 07-23-2007 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Newman (Post 195316)
Rico- That is what I see happening too. My son's friends bear the marks of Americanzation and will not be so strict with their own children.

Freedom is intoxicating. And the Muslim's don't allow for it. I think American ideals will win out over oppression and the Cross is greater than the sword. :cool:

Maybe....do you see this happening in Britian or Europe? Will the more extremist Muslims allow it and if not what will their response be?

Praxeas 07-23-2007 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 195284)
I think it will take at least a generation or two for traditional Muslim practices to fade away among Muslim Americans, much like other cultural practices and whatnot fade away with other groups. I am the first generation in my family to be born here in the States and there is very little I have in common with people that live on the Island, culturally speaking.

The only problem is we have a constant influx of un-Americanized Muslims into our nation in addition to the fact that there are fundamentalist Muslims making converts here in the US.,

This is their website...
http://www.islamberg.org/

And this is what others are reporting
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/...iams051107.htm

Scott Hutchinson 07-23-2007 08:34 PM

If Muslims are following the Korah aren't they really only loyal to Islam and it's cause ?Are Muslims interested in world domination ?

Brother Strange 07-23-2007 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Newman (Post 195316)
Rico- That is what I see happening too. My son's friends bear the marks of Americanzation and will not be so strict with their own children.

Freedom is intoxicating. And the Muslim's don't allow for it. I think American ideals will win out over oppression and the Cross is greater than the sword. :cool:

I guess every nation feels like theirs are different. When they become the majority here, they will sure be different than when they became the majority elsewhere. After all, this is America...so we think. I am afraid this will not be the case. I am afraid that we are only fooling ourselves.

What you all may not be aware of is, they are flooding into our nation by record numbers. Since the Immigration Reform act in the 1960s there has been a mighty stream of them into our nation. They are not assimilating into the American culturre. Up until the 1950s it was illegal to build a Mosque in America. Our society is changing very rapidly now, faster than any other time in history.

Newman 07-23-2007 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 195327)
Well it was obvious from the get go that "good muslim" meant the more conservative and even moderate of the religion.

One of the things that has to be realized is their theology. What the Quran says.

1. In the context of the letter of the initial post; the author attempted to paint all American Muslims as untrustworthy. imo The author could have made it plain otherwise by using the term "radical" or "fundamental" if that had been the author's intention.

2. Muslim's can paint a terrible picture of Christianity if they pick and choose what verses of Scripture they want to use. Didn't God command genocide in the OT? Didn't Jesus tell his followers to hate their family? Didn't Jesus tell men to pluck their eyes out and/or chop their hands off to avoid temptation?

Of greater relevance then; is how are such passages interpretted today....

3. Talking to a Muslim on the internet for the purpose of converting them is totally different then going to school with them, playing ultimate frisbee and soccor together, making videos after school and heading to Cedar Point Amusement Park with them instead of getting a date for the senior prom. We have alot of shared values; more so than some of our non-Christian friends.

Praxeas 07-23-2007 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Newman (Post 195375)
1. In the context of the letter of the initial post; the author attempted to paint all American Muslims as untrustworthy. imo The author could have made it plain otherwise by using the term "radical" or "fundamental" if that had been the author's intention.

I thought it attempted to portray only a good muslim, which means any American muslim that is NOT like that is simply not a good muslim...I don't say I agree with that, but that is what it seems to be saying

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2. Muslim's can paint a terrible picture of Christianity if they pick and choose what verses of Scripture they want to use. Didn't God command genocide in the OT? Didn't Jesus tell his followers to hate their family? Didn't Jesus tell men to pluck their eyes out and/or chop their hands off to avoid temptation?
And? What exactly did you think I said that warrants this comment? All I did was point out what the author sees as a good muslim.

Of greater relevance then; is how are such passages interpretted today....

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3. Talking to a Muslim on the internet for the purpose of converting them is totally different then going to school with them, playing ultimate frisbee and soccor together, making videos after school and heading to Cedar Point Amusement Park with them instead of getting a date for the senior prom. We have alot of shared values; more so than some of our non-Christian friends.
And? Again what exactly is it that you think I am saying? I also said I KNOW Muslims personally. I never said ALL muslims are anything....sigh....I can see where this is going. Everything I say will be twisted and taken out of context and not even understood, as it seems it is not already.

Praxeas 07-23-2007 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Strange (Post 195357)
I guess every nation feels like theirs are different. When they become the majority here, they will sure be different than when they became the majority elsewhere. After all, this is America...so we think. I am afraid this will not be the case. I am afraid that we are only fooling ourselves.

What you all may not be aware of is, they are flooding into our nation by record numbers. Since the Immigration Reform act in the 1960s there has been a mighty stream of them into our nation. They are not assimilating into the American culturre. Up until the 1950s it was illegal to build a Mosque in America. Our society is changing very rapidly now, faster than any other time in history.

WATCH THE VIDEO. This is what happened in Lebanon. That is NOT, Newman, an indictment against ALL Muslims either, sigh.

Rico 07-23-2007 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Strange (Post 195357)
I guess every nation feels like theirs are different. When they become the majority here, they will sure be different than when they became the majority elsewhere. After all, this is America...so we think. I am afraid this will not be the case. I am afraid that we are only fooling ourselves.

What you all may not be aware of is, they are flooding into our nation by record numbers. Since the Immigration Reform act in the 1960s there has been a mighty stream of them into our nation. They are not assimilating into the American culturre. Up until the 1950s it was illegal to build a Mosque in America. Our society is changing very rapidly now, faster than any other time in history.

Brother, if you want to be worried about anyone becoming the majority here in America be worried about us Spanish oriented folks. Statistics show we are the fastest growing segment of the nation's population. Major retailers have recognized this and started making their store signs in Spanish, putting Spanish commercials on English speaking tv programs, entire sections of major cities are Spanish speaking only, etc. etc. I hope you like burritos because eventually they will be the national food! :D

Newman 07-23-2007 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico (Post 195423)
Brother, if you want to be worried about anyone becoming the majority here in America be worried about us Spanish oriented folks. Statistics show we are the fastest growing segment of the nation's population. Major retailers have recognized this and started making their store signs in Spanish, putting Spanish commercials on English speaking tv programs, entire sections of major cities are Spanish speaking only, etc. etc. I hope you like burritos because eventually they will be the national food! :D

Hey! I noticed this too. I think it is a problem when the new folks don't learn the new language. There is much that can be said for America as a melting pot as opposed to a chunky salad. ;)

Newman 07-23-2007 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 195388)
I thought it attempted to portray only a good muslim, which means any American muslim that is NOT like that is simply not a good muslim...I don't say I agree with that, but that is what it seems to be saying


And? What exactly did you think I said that warrants this comment? All I did was point out what the author sees as a good muslim.

Of greater relevance then; is how are such passages interpretted today....


And? Again what exactly is it that you think I am saying? I also said I KNOW Muslims personally. I never said ALL muslims are anything....sigh....I can see where this is going. Everything I say will be twisted and taken out of context and not even understood, as it seems it is not already.

Sorry for communicating in a way that leaves you feeling misunderstood. I am actually learning something tonight. I have begun to watch the videos you put up. Very interesting but my husband wants me to watch something with him now. Perhaps another time... :cool:


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