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as someone recently put it, we are committing national suicide.

I can see now how people are going to be so easily deceived by the anti christ.

They are already embracing that spirit

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I actually thought that was another (you) joke. Well I appreciate the prayers CC. I'm doing very well but prayer is always welcome.

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I don't think it makes us seem extreme. I think it makes us look like mindless pawns of the Republican machine.

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Not to mention Russia is feeling more nationalistic and is starting to rearm herself.
They also don't want to share the world stage with the States.
Not to mention China.


Even so come quickly Jesus.

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I'm going to assume that that part of the response was not directed towards me even though it was in response to a post about me. From what I've seen of your posts, you don't seem that type.

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And the polarization continues.

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and dont forget the kurd bro, i see what you mean, but i dont agree, but then again we all cant all the time, dt

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I don't thnk it was.

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pretty much everything youve said in this thread about the war in Iraq.

you offered your credentials. I offered mine.

it seems we have vastly different views here. your proxemity as a military brad, arent a trump card.

But I still repect you tstew.

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Yeah, 'cause then there would be nothing to fight about. :boxing

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Not much different in Canada.

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True. In a sense, if the Republicans get elected they will continue down the path they're currently on. Loosing the Presidency could serve to help the Republicans make the changes they need to be respectable again.

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hmm..... by everyone I assume you mean the democrat party, the lib media and FRANCE?


Cuz if by everyone you include me, then your estimation is off a bit.

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Not trying to trump you bro. I respect your sacrifice...I just didn't care for the comment about me not respecting the valiant sacrifice of those serving.

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No, even the White House will tell you that. Remember they did have to offer projections before they got us into this thing...complete with estimated costs and exit strategy...

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Well, now that Obama earned the Dem nomination, I believe he is fair game to be scrutinized.

Hopefully it will have some facts.:hypercoffee

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If we can survive 8 yrs of Clinton followed by 8 yrs of Bush we can survive Obama or McCain. All the drama is melodramatic.

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I know the health care plans well. The Democrat's plan is the most realistic. McCain's will only lead to millions more of uninsured people...and that will drive up the cost of insurance for the rest of us who might be able to afford it if he becomes President.

Remember, the more uninsured people you have the higher the cost of health care will become.

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not you directly no, in general, yes. I'm not a republican. I'm a democrat, but they (the majority of the Dems) are soooo far to the right, they are equal to marxist communist! They're views are just outrageous! Now, Ferd and i will disagree, but I think SOMETHING has got to be done about America's health care. He thinks it's fine the way it is. Since the Republicans have been in office, it has almost taken out middle class under. gas prcies, housing, taxes are still high, but I don't think the Dems plan is going to work either.
But all the financial woes aside, there is something else at play here... I believe this is all a set up of the one world government

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Maybe I was sloppy in how I said that. typing fast and mixing belief with a bit of sarcastic comedy....


I firmly believe that the democrats that picked up on that "mission accomplised" did infact disrespect the men and women who served during that phase of the war.

there is an old saying that if you repeat a lie enough, it becomes fact.

I cannot say that you mean disrespect. Ive posted with you enough to know better. I do believe that the line of thought, as it was devised as a political ploy against GWB was disrespectful and its disheartening when I see honest people who do respect our men and women in uniform repeat it.

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I agree, that is why I posted the link to the actual list of his voting record. I will once again say that I am not really a supporter of any of the candidates...I'm just not the GWB supporter that I once was.

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Not fine as it is, I just dont think tossing the baby out with the bathwater is smart.

nationalizing healthcare is no answer to what ails us.

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True. Merely being the first black Presidential candidate brings race to the table. It's just life.

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and I think I at least dealt with spcifics about what Obama has SAID and what he stands for and how he as voted.

It IS about the core of his actual beliefs.

Just a note. i was watching some talking heads last night.

when the McCain guy was asked what policy McCain would pursue, he gave specifics.

when the Obama guy was asked, his answer was "the last 8 years have been a failure we must go in a new direction"

what is that? you want to talk about what these guys are talking about? I dont think Obama can take that kind of in depth look.

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so very true, it is life, inevitalbe life, dt

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I think Bush's "facism" having been labeled "conservatism" has caused a backlash against "conservatism". So more people are willing to accept the more liberal candidate.

As for experience...the people in charge have tremendous amounts of experience and they're warmongering baffoons. Regardless of party, someone with less experience will be more likely to think outside of the box and listen to advisors. When people have tons of experience they often get locked into their personal notions and refuse to accept sound advice that contradicts what they think. This is what has gotten this administration into a lot of it's troubles.

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Ferd, I was a GWB supporter at one point, but I am appalled at how the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were mismanaged. I am appalled at what seems to be an almost unprecedented bonanza for big business and powerful lobbies. Case in point, the willingness to turn the security our ports over to the highest bidder who just happened to be Saudi. I could go on and on but....:beatdeadhorse

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No Ron you didnt say that OBAMA did!

and Ron, just a tidbit, after 9/11 I honestly dont care what the rest of the world thinks.

All I care about is no more muslims flying planes into American buildings and no more muslim nations supporting any form of terror.

beyond that the rest of the world can get frances stinky cheese stuck in their noses and drown in their gassy wine.

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What do you really expect from McCain regarding the Supreme Court?

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Fair enough Ferd, but don't be surprised if these thoughts and actions don't fuel
more Anti American sentiment and Terrorism.

What are you going to do?

Nuke the Middle East?

Perhaps this will usher in Armageddon.

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Obama's a liberal Christian, not a Muslim.

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and thus the reason I will vote for McCain.

I think Rumsfeld was wrong. I felt that way LONG before he got kicked out.

I was with McCain from day one when he started blasting Rummy.

we should have done what Collin Powell said and go in with a massive army and not a smaller force.

we should have been more precise with Afghanistan in the early days and approaced it as a trap for bin ladin.

I do not agree with GWB on how we did what we did. I DO agree on the need to do it.

BUT that is no longer the question. WE ARE THERE NOW. we have do deal with the reality NOW. and I firmly belive that John McCain is RIGHT on the course we should take.

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...if necessary.

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But which course? The one where he said we could be there for the next 100 years or the one where he said we would be out by 2013?

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context my friend. he is right on both counts.

the 100 year comment references the change in post ww2 Germany and Japan where we still have bases and at the same time we have allies in these nations.

the 2013 comment was about the end of hostilities.


context my friend, context. (you cant get context from democrat position papers and talking points...)

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that is your opinion of course, not mine, dt

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I think he will refrain from making a VP decision for a while. I think he'd be wise to verbally explain that Hillary is a leading contender. Then he should make a few possibilities known and meet with them and get some publicity. Allow the polls to show how the electorate feels about each possible contender compared to Hillary. And then go from there. Hopefully the polls among Democrats will show that Richardson or someone else resonates with the electorate. Personally...I'd like to see Richardson. The first African-American President and Hispanic Vice President. It would also open the door for a second historic race in 8 years when Richardson runs as the first Hispanic President. That'd be what I'd bank on. Obama is running on "Change". Clinton is a throwback to another decade and administration. I think the American people are tired of Bush's and Clinton's.

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Pretty clever Ferd, but the context of his first statement was to highlight how naive and unenlightened Obama and Clinton were when they were giving any sort of concrete timeline. Then when that stance garnered some good reviews, he had a timeline of his own.

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go back and read the entire quote. the context of the 100 years referenced our current relationship with German and Japan. He named them.

and YES it was about the nieve position of Obama and Clinton.

thank you. sometimes I am clever....

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Hey, like most Americans, I don't know diddly about all this policy and morality stuff. I'm going to vote for Obama cuz he's thin and handsome and looks good in a suit and he makes me feel good, like a good preacher. Plus I think McCain looks old and his wife is way too rich and pretty for her age. God bless America! :tic