Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 82169)

:nah

You really expect people to believe you were talking about a donkey? You weren't. You were speaking towards an individual. You took a word that has a certain meaning, which by the way isn't bad, and changed the meaning by changing the spelling of the word. It insinuated you were calling that individual an _ _ _.

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 82176)

some folk ought to walk softly. we dont need another tire iron situation.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 82180)

LOL!

No danger there.:)

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 82182)

I wish we could stick to the topic of how cultic and mind controlling randy is.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 82191)

Look, I'm sure we all love Randy. I do.

But this is silly and a perfect exhibition of all the reasons why we are so often labelled a cult. Just because Randy feels warned that he has been a neglectful father due to tv doesn't mean the rest of fathers who own televisions are. Why take a personal conviction and spew it as a biblical absolute?

The story was a work of FICTION that took great liberties with the concept of passover. That Coonskinner and others could call that a word from the Lord is regrettable and very telling. That God would kill a kid because his father was too busy watching tv is ridiculous.

Name calling is in vogue today. Idiots? Asses? Sounds like we have corrupt communication spewing from the keyboards of some of our great holiness preachers.

There is no limit to the absolute additions to the Word some men will force feed everyone who disagrees with their sacred cows. There is no way to scream it loud enough.

Danger! Danger! Danger!

An extrabiblical word is coming to a thread near you.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 82191)

Look, I'm sure we all love Randy. I do.

But this is silly and a perfect exhibition of all the reasons why we are so often labelled a cult. Just because Randy feels warned that he has been a neglectful father due to tv doesn't mean the rest of fathers who own televisions are. Why take a personal conviction and spew it as a biblical absolute?

The story was a work of FICTION that took great liberties with the concept of passover. That Coonskinner and others could call that a word from the Lord is regrettable and very telling. That God would kill a kid because his father was too busy watching tv is ridiculous.

Name calling is in vogue today. Idiots? Asses? Sounds like we have corrupt communication spewing from the keyboards of some of our great holiness preachers.

There is no limit to the absolute additions to the Word some men will force feed everyone who disagrees with their sacred cows. There is no way to scream it loud enough.

Danger! Danger! Danger!

An extrabiblical word is coming to a thread near you.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 82191)

Look, I'm sure we all love Randy. I do.

But this is silly and a perfect exhibition of all the reasons why we are so often labelled a cult. Just because Randy feels warned that he has been a neglectful father due to tv doesn't mean the rest of fathers who own televisions are. Why take a personal conviction and spew it as a biblical absolute?

The story was a work of FICTION that took great liberties with the concept of passover. That Coonskinner and others could call that a word from the Lord is regrettable and very telling. That God would kill a kid because his father was too busy watching tv is ridiculous.

Name calling is in vogue today. Idiots? Asses? Sounds like we have corrupt communication spewing from the keyboards of some of our great holiness preachers.

There is no limit to the absolute additions to the Word some men will force feed everyone who disagrees with their sacred cows. There is no way to scream it loud enough.

Danger! Danger! Danger!

An extrabiblical word is coming to a thread near you.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 82174)

I used it in the donkey sense.
Stubborn.
Muleheaded.

That is the truth, and if you insist otherwise, especially after I have clarified, you are calling me a liar.

That will then elevate the discussion to new dimensions.
Where I was raised, the word was used colloquially as I have stated.
You can accept that or not, as it really doesn't matter to me.
But I do not flirt with or use profanity. Period.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 82191)

Look, I'm sure we all love Randy. I do.

But this is silly and a perfect exhibition of all the reasons why we are so often labelled a cult. Just because Randy feels warned that he has been a neglectful father due to tv doesn't mean the rest of fathers who own televisions are. Why take a personal conviction and spew it as a biblical absolute?

The story was a work of FICTION that took great liberties with the concept of passover. That Coonskinner and others could call that a word from the Lord is regrettable and very telling. That God would kill a kid because his father was too busy watching tv is ridiculous.

Name calling is in vogue today. Idiots? Asses? Sounds like we have corrupt communication spewing from the keyboards of some of our great holiness preachers.

There is no limit to the absolute additions to the Word some men will force feed everyone who disagrees with their sacred cows. There is no way to scream it loud enough.

Danger! Danger! Danger!

An extrabiblical word is coming to a thread near you.

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 82197)

have you seen the pictures of my little boy? they really are cute.

Originally Posted by warrior81680 (Post 82104)

CR,

You know, CS can hold his own, but you're smarter than that.

He would no more flirt with cursing than he could quit coon hunting or preaching holiness.

BTW, where I come from the "devil's funbox" has been called devilvision and hellevision.

Apt monikers, I do believe.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 82118)

Read the thread again. There was even a post written that pointed out the incorrect spelling of the word, and he stated: "What I have written, I have written."

IE, it was deliberate, intentional and flirted with calling someone an ___ (you know).

I don't have a problem with what he said. I'll know better though reading his future posts. He preaches holiness and condemns television but flirts with cursing. Nice.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 82200)

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Okay. I guess I'll have to take your word for it, though I have doubts. I'm not a mind-reader and don't know what you were really thinking.

:tiphat

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 82201)

This is the third time ive said this. I have a TV. I think the uPCI needs to drop any referenece of TV from its bylaws. I also think res 6 needs to pass.

I also read this and got a good message for my own life. we can do both.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 82204)

If you care for him at all, you should remove that tv immediately.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 82208)

I wonder if the writer has made a commitment to never watch tv again?

After all, its a killer.

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 82210)

I think i will just take RevRandy's advice and not let the TV get in the way of taking care of important things. much easier plus the Mavs and Stars are playing this weekend.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 82212)

Hypocritical isn't it?

If something is dangerous enough to kill your kids, why have it in your home?

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 82210)

I think i will just take RevRandy's advice and not let the TV get in the way of taking care of important things. much easier plus the Mavs and Stars are playing this weekend.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 82198)

Yep, God killed that boy because daddy was watching tv.

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 82219)

The facts of the biblical account are thus...

The Passover
1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 "This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb [a] for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire—head, legs and inner parts. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD's Passover.
12 "On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn—both men and animals—and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.

14 "This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD -a lasting ordinance. 15 For seven days you are to eat bread made without yeast. On the first day remove the yeast from your houses, for whoever eats anything with yeast in it from the first day through the seventh must be cut off from Israel. 16 On the first day hold a sacred assembly, and another one on the seventh day. Do no work at all on these days, except to prepare food for everyone to eat—that is all you may do.

17 "Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread, because it was on this very day that I brought your divisions out of Egypt. Celebrate this day as a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. 18 In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day. 19 For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses. And whoever eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off from the community of Israel, whether he is an alien or native-born. 20 Eat nothing made with yeast. Wherever you live, you must eat unleavened bread."

21 Then Moses summoned all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Go at once and select the animals for your families and slaughter the Passover lamb. 22 Take a bunch of hyssop, dip it into the blood in the basin and put some of the blood on the top and on both sides of the doorframe. Not one of you shall go out the door of his house until morning. 23 When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.

24 "Obey these instructions as a lasting ordinance for you and your descendants. 25 When you enter the land that the LORD will give you as he promised, observe this ceremony. 26 And when your children ask you, 'What does this ceremony mean to you?' 27 then tell them, 'It is the Passover sacrifice to the LORD, who passed over the houses of the Israelites in Egypt and spared our homes when he struck down the Egyptians.' " Then the people bowed down and worshiped. 28 The Israelites did just what the LORD commanded Moses and Aaron.

29 At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. 30 Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.

31 Yea, all this came to pass because of these Egyptians allowing television in their homes.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 82217)

I'm a Suns fan . . . *grin*

:praying Lord, help the Golden State Warriors defeat these Mavericks!

:toofunny

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 82198)

Yep, God killed that boy because daddy was watching tv.

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 82219)

The facts of the biblical account are thus...

The Passover
1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, 2 "This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. 3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb [a] for his family, one for each household. 4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. 5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. 6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. 7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. 8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. 9 Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire—head, legs and inner parts. 10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. 11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD's Passover.
12 "On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn—both men and animals—and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD. 13 The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.

14 "This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD -a lasting ordinance. 15 For seven days you are to eat bread made without yeast. On the first day remove the yeast from your houses, for whoever eats anything with yeast in it from the first day through the seventh must be cut off from Israel. 16 On the first day hold a sacred assembly, and another one on the seventh day. Do no work at all on these days, except to prepare food for everyone to eat—that is all you may do.

17 "Celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread, because it was on this very day that I brought your divisions out of Egypt. Celebrate this day as a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. 18 In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day. 19 For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses. And whoever eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off from the community of Israel, whether he is an alien or native-born. 20 Eat nothing made with yeast. Wherever you live, you must eat unleavened bread."

21 Then Moses summoned all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Go at once and select the animals for your families and slaughter the Passover lamb. 22 Take a bunch of hyssop, dip it into the blood in the basin and put some of the blood on the top and on both sides of the doorframe. Not one of you shall go out the door of his house until morning. 23 When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.

24 "Obey these instructions as a lasting ordinance for you and your descendants. 25 When you enter the land that the LORD will give you as he promised, observe this ceremony. 26 And when your children ask you, 'What does this ceremony mean to you?' 27 then tell them, 'It is the Passover sacrifice to the LORD, who passed over the houses of the Israelites in Egypt and spared our homes when he struck down the Egyptians.' " Then the people bowed down and worshiped. 28 The Israelites did just what the LORD commanded Moses and Aaron.

29 At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. 30 Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 82223)

you need to be looking after you own business and asking the lord to break kobe's leg.

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 82172)

The sad fact is that the Tv Issue is a joke anymore. We have UPC ministers with tv's in their home already, watching ungodliness personified. We have district officials that turn a blind eye to it. And I have it on good terms that there are UPC churches already advertising on tv.

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 82234)

I will be honest with everyone on here. I think it is wrong to be a hypocrite. I also think that it is non of our business if a pastor has a tv in there home. Now if they are preaching against it and still have one...hypocrite. If they do not preach against it then we need to get off their case.

We are not anyones judge. It is dangerous to point our fingers and talk about people preachers watching tv and having tv. When we have our own things we fight.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 82126)

That's good scripture there, OGIA. Let's just not be hypocritical in applying it to one thing, but not others.

Radio
Internet
Billboards
Newspapers
Magazines

It's fun to watch anti-television folks pick and choose what's "okay" and what's not.

:igotit

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 82108)

I have heard some say this, "people say it is Hellivision, but I think it is Heavensvision to reach the lost."

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 82262)

what about a guy... any guy, who either owns a television or does not own a television, preaches about being vigilent and careful with television?

is that ok?

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 82265)

Preaching to be careful it totally fine that is not what I was meaning. Sorry if it came out that way. If someone who has a tv and preaches to watch out what you watch I think that speaks volumes to me. I mean we preach to watch for sins such as drugs and alcohol. But most of us have not ever taken part in that. Some have though. So I think that it all balances out. But preaching it is wrong, but you have one in the lake house or mountain cabin, that is horrible if someone that does not.

Originally Posted by OGIA (Post 82264)

I'm wasn't trying to proclaim the others to be "fresh", cr. I was rebutting the implication that TV is "heavenvision". Nothing that spews such trash -- in a one directional manner -- has anything to do with heaven.

The end does not justify the means, and we will not see the disaster for some time to come. JMO. :tiphat

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 82268)

"in a wone directional manner"


huh.. imnotsmartenoughtounderstandthatcomment.

Originally Posted by warrior81680 (Post 82104)

BTW, where I come from the "devil's funbox" has been called devilvision and hellevision.

You get what it puts out.

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 82300)

Here's the deal folks...

Whatever you give most of your time to concerning earthly works... over time you may become consumed by them... whether by accident or purpose.. and being so consumed whether it be Television, Internet, or Whatever your kids could pay the price spiritually down the road because of your actions...

It has happened in the past and will again.. None are perfect except He who died for our transgressions or sin so that we would be perfected someday before Him...

Had I said anything else but Television I wonder now what would have been the response.. and in some ways I wished I had now but what I wrote carried some weight...for some in heart and for some in the head..

The Story is not a Biblical account but centers around a Biblical acct.. just as Ben Hur or any other story...

That being said.. I never wrote watching Television killed the Child....I said What it provides for you Today can Cost you Tomorrow...

and Yes Television is addicting... for studies to come suggesting Children watch up 7 hrs of Television a Day.. That's 49 Hours a month... or 196 Hours a Month... Folks that may not be you... but that's a Large Percentage of America...

I will never preach that having Television will send you to Hell.. But if you become consumned by it... the lasting effects it will have will affect generations to come.. and that is a Fact...

And the Truth is a Large percentage of America is consumned by it.. If your not.. and you control what you watch or see.. Great...

But everybody can build an "INN" if they are not careful.. or watchful.. and wind up costing the one's they love a price they can't afford..

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 82300)

Here's the deal folks...

Whatever you give most of your time to concerning earthly works... over time you may become consumed by them... whether by accident or purpose.. and being so consumed whether it be Television, Internet, or Whatever your kids could pay the price spiritually down the road because of your actions...

It has happened in the past and will again.. None are perfect except He who died for our transgressions or sin so that we would be perfected someday before Him...

Had I said anything else but Television I wonder now what would have been the response.. and in some ways I wished I had now but what I wrote carried some weight...for some in heart and for some in the head..

The Story is not a Biblical account but centers around a Biblical acct.. just as Ben Hur or any other story...

That being said.. I never wrote watching Television killed the Child....I said What it provides for you Today can Cost you Tomorrow...

and Yes Television is addicting... for studies to come suggesting Children watch up 7 hrs of Television a Day.. That's 49 Hours a month... or 196 Hours a Month... Folks that may not be you... but that's a Large Percentage of America...

I will never preach that having Television will send you to Hell.. But if you become consumned by it... the lasting effects it will have will affect generations to come.. and that is a Fact...

And the Truth is a Large percentage of America is consumned by it.. If your not.. and you control what you watch or see.. Great...

But everybody can build an "INN" if they are not careful.. or watchful.. and wind up costing the one's they love a price they can't afford..

Originally Posted by Jekyll (Post 82411)

You don't have to apologize or defend your statements...

Some will argue that poo doesn't stink just for the sake of trying to discredit YOU...

You wrote a great piece