Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 127880)

When have we said that?? Read too much into things lately?

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127882)

I do no such thing. This is what Peter preached at Pentecost, and you can't handle it, and can't get around it. There is no erasing it, or watering it down. It is what it is.

1. Repent and
2. Be baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins,
3. And ye shall receive.

It is not my truth - though I fully embrace it. It is God's holy Word.

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 127880)

When have we said that?? Read too much into things lately?

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127869)

Nope.

Here's what disturbs me about this repetitive conversation with Daniel and others who have left what they once proclaimed as truth.

They deny the power of the name in baptism. They deny the fact that God's Spirit comes with signs following. They deny everything aside from repentance is essential to salvation.

And here is the kicker. They then go on to say that we are part of the same movement.

Hogwash.

For once, why not call it what it is? They have returned to a pre-twentieth century understanding of Oneness Pentecostalism, and true Apostolic power is absent from that understanding. They have rejected the basic tenants of the Apostolic faith. They have embraced the greater whoredom of Christendom in the name of ecumenicalism and tolerance.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127887)

First of all, Daniel believes baptism is a Christian rite akin to footwashing. If you get around to it, well hooray for you.He thinks you should obey it, but it is not a necessary action.

By saying and believing this, he denies the power of the name in baptism.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127882)

I do no such thing. This is what Peter preached at Pentecost, and you can't handle it, and can't get around it. There is no erasing it, or watering it down. It is what it is.

1. Repent and
2. Be baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins,
3. And ye shall receive.

It is not my truth - though I fully embrace it. It is God's holy Word.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127791)

What does one do to receive ??? The gift of the HG is given my dear friend ....

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 127798)

Only to those that obey the gospel.

Please tell me biblically how one "obeys" the gospel.

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 127893)

Bump for Daniel

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127885)

I preach the same thing ... ironic huh .... do those ecclesiastical garbs come in orange????

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 127814)

I disagree with you, unless of course they never believed Apostolic doctrine to begin with.

If I believe that it takes Jesus name Baptism, and the infilling of the holy ghost to make it, and then I go on TBN and lead sinners in a "sinners prayer", and then tell them they are saved, do I really believe what I used to??

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 127822)

Have you seen this happen? Or are you going on others word? I watch TBN all the time and esspecially when any of the "ex's" are on there. I have seen them lead in the sinners prayer, for repentance. I have never seen them or heard them say now you are saved.

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 127850)

Tommy Tenney
Randy Phillips
Steve Munsey




I am sure I could think of others given the time. These were UPCI men (not sure if Phillips carried a license)

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 127860)

You have seen them pray the Roman Road and then say now you are saved? give me break.

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 127873)

My bad. I have not heard all of them "ON TBN" itself. But yes, I have heard all three of them do it.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127895)

I'm still reveling in who you really are ....:laffatu

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127896)

Why do you ride this merry-go-round Daniel. You believe no such thing! If you did, you would have no problem with the classic UPC stance.

But we all know you do have a huge problem with it, don't we? It's because you don't believe the same thing. Why speak out of both sides of your mouth? If you don't believe the baptism by water or by Holy Ghost infilling (evidenced with tongues), that is your perogative. But why attack the very thing you say you agree with?

The reason is you don't agree with me. We are not of the same movement.

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown (Post 127901)

If you do not know me, then you don't know peanuts. :killinme

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127887)

First of all, Daniel believes baptism is a Christian rite akin to footwashing. If you get around to it, well hooray for you. He thinks you should obey it, but it is not a necessary action.

By saying and believing this, he denies the power of the name in baptism.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127890)

More false witness.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127906)

Daniel, if a lost soul came to you and said "please help me", "what must I do to be saved"? What would you tell them to do?

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127906)

Daniel, if a lost soul came to you and said "please help me", "what must I do to be saved"? What would you tell them to do?

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127906)

Daniel, if a lost soul came to you and said "please help me", "what must I do to be saved"? What would you tell them to do?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127911)

Once again ... my friend ... as per your request and respect for our friendship I will not discuss DOCTRINE with you.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127912)

I know what I would tell them. I would tell them what Peter told the first century crowd. And you know where that is at right? It's in the passage you consistently accuse folks like me of worshipping.

Acts 2:38

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127914)

How convenient!

You and I both know that you cannot honestly answer as I would. You would say "believe on Jesus" and maybe "turn from your sin".

Originally Posted by SoCalUltraConservative (Post 127917)

Daniel, what organization do you belong to?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127915)

I'd do the same thing ... but our presentation of purposes would be different ... the results the same ....

this is nothing new ... PP ... and you know it .... the fellowship you are part of ... tolerated this other view because the results were the same ....

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127918)

Any person that would stop there ... or at the end of Acts 2:38 .... would be guilty of not presenting the full message ....

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127920)

Then why the constant ragging about our beliefs?

And I seriously doubt the results will be the same. The AOG has declining numbers of adherents who are Holy Ghost filled because their emphasis has changed.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127924)

Peter stopped there. It was a direct answer to a direct question.

His answer encompassed everything essential to a repaired relationship with God.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127925)

I'm ragging on your presentation ... as you mine ... GET REAL PP .... THE RAGGING IS BOTH WAYS ... the sensitivities differ .....

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127920)

Then why the constant ragging about our beliefs?

And I seriously doubt the results will be the same. The AOG has declining numbers of adherents who are Holy Ghost filled because their emphasis has changed.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127931)

My presentation is exactly as Peter presented. I add nothing, I take away nothing.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127933)

Perception my friend is a powerful thing ....

Originally Posted by SoCalUltraConservative (Post 127922)

Yes, as all claim to be.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127928)

He didn't stop there ... PP ... read Acts 2 once again ... and be theologically honest ...

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 127935)

I percieved that your somewhat confused in what you believe!! :lol

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127932)

and the UPCI numbers are burgeoning because a UC movement hijacked it in 1992 and sanitized the fellowship??? Get real .... you are speaking on both sides of your mouth when you attack the same UC's that have brought the present upheaval ....

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127937)

He did stop there. He addressed their question with a very pointed answer.

The rest of the sermon. The main emphasis was recorded by Luke. Every thing else is labeled as "with amny other words".

38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name
of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call."

40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

42They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. 44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. 46Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 127619)

Never got a pm from you ever.. bro..

Check your facts.. before you blow your nose...

Money Cometh... Sounds like "Let's all praise Money" ..

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127937)

He did stop there. He addressed their question with a very pointed answer.

The rest of the sermon. The main emphasis was recorded by Luke. Every thing else is labeled as "with many other words".

38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name
of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call."

40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

42They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. 44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. 46Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127938)

I perceive tradition has blinded you ....

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 127939)

apples and oranges