Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 594192)

It is not the same thing by a long shot.

Why preach on TV if everyone but a couple of people already have one? Or even if half do or half don't? The sole result is a sense of superiority from those who are already falling the "standards" toward those who are not. Same thing with pants, make up, etc......

Do it in private. Don't do it for the purpose of causing "embarrassment" to those who are not.

All I remember from my days in church is the smugness from those who followed (at least in public) the laundry list toward those who did not. I remember the "Amen!"'s and "preach it!"'s from those same people during hard "standards" sermons. The satisfied self-smugness toward those who were less holy then them still leaves a taste in my mouth that I cannot get rid of to this day. If I could go back in time I would have a lot more fun with these people then I did then, but I cannot...... (Which is one reason I have fun NOW. Think Jim playing gag after gag on Dwight....)

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 594858)

Sometimes to stop preaching against certain things is when you realize you were wrong...I used not to take medicine today I am wiser...So not everything you start or stop doing means you are backslid...and I could give other examples...

Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 594478)

I think you are sending false way of thinking to others on this forum about conservatives. Liberals already bash us and your fanning the flames. I don’t think you have noticed this in the conservative movement , I think you had one bad experience.

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4 (Post 593799)

Before advancing any further, I shall address Bro. Sacket's comments above.

You stated: "we preach against tv, jewelry, makeup and women with cut hair...we are not aff"

Originally Posted by theoldpaths (Post 594307)

Sounds like someone got stirred up.

Conservatives should have no problems against preaching against: tv, jewelery, make-up, cutting hair, etc; liberals on the other hand...

At meetings that I've attended recently, they have definitely talked about evangelism and reaching the lost, etc. This past w/end we passed out around 10,000 invitations to a special 2pm Sunday service today.

As to comparing charismatic gifts of the Spirit flowing service after service to apostolic services, of course you are going to see a difference. Why you can go onto YouTube and see charimatic preachers that have gold dust magically appear and fall and oil magically coming out of peoples hands. But my bible says...

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Signs and wonders are NOT necessarily the sign of someone being in the ministry of God or being right with God or that God is with them and well-pleased with them.

Deceiving the very elect by what? Signs and wonders. Showing GREAT signs and wonders for what? What is the purpose of the signs and wonders? If it were possible to deceive the very elect.

Signs follow the people of God; people of God do NOT follow after the signs. The prophetic movement people, imho, just want to go from one conference to another conference hearing about all the signs and wonders that were done by some great one. Most of their "preaching" is about all the signs and wonders that supposedly God had done by them with very little scripture. Preach what? The word! But some are only interested in the signs and wonders that God is supposedly doing by them and go from conference after conference just to get their little "touch". Where is the convicting preaching of the word of God to get people to repent at an altar? Where is the long-lasting change that comes from sincere repentance, rather than the superficial touch that doesn't seem to last until they are able to get to their next prophetic movement conference? So much for the word, its all about the signs.

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Signs and lying wonders.

I've stated this before and I will state it again. In whole spectrum of "Christian Pentecostalism" you have on the far right, the holiness apostolics with tongues, interpretation, and "thus saith the Lord"; and on the far left, you have the Charismatic trinitarian easy-believers who ALSO have tongues, interpretation, and "thus saith the Lord". And then there is EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.

Notice that the signs go from the far right all the way to the far left - the signs are a constant. But at some point in between the far right and the far left, you have a change in doctrine, a change in holiness which is still doctrine, and I contend a change in Spirit; at some point they have "another spirit".

Oh ya, you can have some minister claiming to be an apostle laying his hand on someone and them falling over under the power - but is it "the" Spirit or "a" spirit? Where do they stand on doctrine and holiness?

Jesus spoke of those who did many mighty things in His name, but He will profess to not evening knowing them. Imagine that, not even knowing them even tho many mighty things were done in His name? What could be so bad about casting out devils in His name? Yet Jesus said, he didn't even know them.

Don't be fooled by the Charismatics and those with "another Spirit" regardless of whether they claim to be apostolic or not. Even the Catholics lay claim to the word "Apostolic".

Psa 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.