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I agree they need a savior. That sort of goes without saying.



who is not calm? Rhetoric is talk. If we don't open our mouths and talk Islam will take over our nation and many will be fooled and lost.

They were commanded to live peacably if at all possible, but let's not forget their preaching got them thrown in jail and killed

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I remember one time my wife and I visited one of the Conservative Roman Catholic churches, one that uses Latin and thinks anything after Vatican 2 is wrong.

We were taken by an usher to a seat near the front.

When we remained in our seats while others knelt on the kneelers, a woman behind us rebuked us for not keeling and respecting the Body of Christ (communion wafer).

After the service, several people ganged up on us and criticised us because my wife wore pants, because we sat so far up in the front, and because we didn't kneel at the proper time. I didn't apologize for my wife's apparel. I told them we sat near the front because that was where the usher took us. I told them that I thought it was proper etiquette to remain seated if I was not familiar with the ritual. When they told us we were welcome to come back I said something like, "Well, it sure doesn't seem so." After we left my wife was upset by the way we were treated and I said, "See, Apostolics don't have a corner on ignorance."

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My first pastor died in his 80's and he'd been in the movement all his life, his father was one of the earliest Oneness Pentecostals, even had his Assemblies of God ordination paper pictured in a book by Rev. Tenny. He never used those terms over the pulpit in all the years I served under him. He'd get riled up and raise a hand and say something like, "And you know what I think of their kind..." He made his point, but he had dignity and grace, especially in the pulpit.

Bro, I have no problems with biblical terms. I may personally choose not to use a few, but that's just me. You can call them Sodomites, abominable, dogs, reprobates, sinners, fools, perverts, or anything else listed in the Bible and I'd shout with you, as long as you're attacking the sin and not the sinner. You can also use technical terms we all understand like homosexual, hey, I'd even tolerate shortening it to "homos". You can use terms that have become standard fair like "gay" if you like. But some terms are simply pejoratives that do more harm than good when spoken. Remember when you were a young man in the locker rooms at school? Were you ever called a "queer" and berated by some idiot? Those words hurt. Also, consider a saint who's been in that lifestyle before being saved... don't be deceived, those words sting when they hear them too, I've talked to a few brothers about it.

Also, as a father, I don't want my son talking like that. I'm raising a Christian gentleman and I don't need some uncouth preacher turning him into a crass and bombastic blowhard.

Oh, and for the record, last time I checked the words "fag" and "queer" aren't in the Bible.

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That's called bloodless jihad, where Muslims populate an area, multiply faster than those around them, and then pass legislation where sharia law is required. Look how that has happened in some areas in England. The English government has surrendered it's sovereignty over certain areas of the country where Muslims are in control.

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So the secret is our equivalent...EVANGELISM. But we can't win people by inflammatory rhetoric. We have to communicate the love and power of the gospel via words seasoned with grace and acts of love and kindness... even toward the persecutors if necessary. In the end... we will win. The gospel always wins. Rome couldn't stop it. The Caliphate couldn't stop it. The Holy Roman Empire couldn't stop it. Nazi Germany couldn't stop it. Communist Russian and China couldn't stop it. And I assure you... these Muslims can't stop it either. But we will loose key battles if we don't address this issue wisely.

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LOL! I attended a funeral for my BIL, who died at a young age from muscular dystrophy. The clearest memory has to do with my wife's great-grandmother digging her knuckles into my back when I was supposed to kneel.:ursofunny

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Bro... the Apostles weren't running around calling people "f@gs" or "towel heads", and making people angry. The Apostles simply taught about Jesus and preached the power of his name. It wasn't about attacking the Jews or the Romans with sharp words... it was about telling EVERYONE about Jesus. If you "preach" using sharp words that inflames a Muslim or a gay person and they beat you up, you weren't "persecuted". In a way, you deserved it. LOL But if you were talking about the power of Jesus Christ, how he alone can save, how it is by his stripes that we are healed, and they attack you because of his name's sake... while you pray that God not lay that sin to their charge... now that's persecution.

I am not saying we shouldn't preach the Gospel and compare the grace of Jesus Christ to the teachings of Islam. But this has to be done with wisdom that the Holy Ghost can give us.

Do you remember when a liberal artist put a crucifix upside down in a vat of urine? So many Christians were up in arms protesting and showing public signs of anger. Thank God our religion doesn't have a pro-violence clause or somebody would have bombed that art gallery. Now compare it to the cartoons of Muhammad that insighted so much violence and outrage a couple years back. Bro, if we were them we'd have been out of our minds angry too. Bro... the way I see it... if we don't want them to talk about our Jesus or to represent our Jesus in certain ways... we should have the respect not to represent them or their faith in derogatory ways. If we preach Jesus and they want to attack and persecute us... bring it on! That's a sure sign that we'll have revival.

But I don't have any respect for the preacher who walks around with a chip on his shoulder offending everyone who cries "persecution" when he gets knocked on his derrière.

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I don't know about you but I Do know people might find "their kind" very offensive

What words DO we use and what difference does it make if they are not in the bible? You said that before already, I said Sodomite is in there and you indicated that was the wrong word to use so for the record, why do you keep saying that???

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I agree 100%. And I'm not old fashioned. Great post.

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But not as offensive as the terms "fags" or "queers". ;)

You've still not addressed the position a preacher puts me in as a father if he uses those terms. I don't want my son using pejoratives like that. How can I conceivably raise a gentleman who speaks like a Christian when the pastor doesn't have the decency to speak like a Christian gentleman in the pulpit?


Bro... here's what I said,

I don't think it's "wrong" or shouldn't be used. Personally, I wouldn't use it that often in the pulpit because the visitor that I'm trying to reach might be one of those "Sodomites". I don't want him to get angry at me, I want him to see the love and feel the power of Jesus. He knows his sin, he knows it far better than I do. He's already feeling the uncomfortable conviction while being in the presence of the Holy Ghost. God's Holiness is convicting him as he sits there. I just have to point to the cross as his way of escape.

Proverbs 11:30
The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.