Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
 

So in a sense one could still say the Son was eternal - just without the added component of humanity...

At some point it seems to be more semantics than actual substantive difference.

Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
 

The Son was NOT eternal only in the mind of God He was begotten on a certain day the scripture plainly declares. Heb.1:5-6.

Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
 

It then begs the question; if something is eternal ONLY in the mind of God - is that anything less than reality?

Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
 

Our praise and worship team sing it often. I promise you, we are not
trinitarian but we do love those folks. The church is full of ex-trinitarian
people. They make excellent oneness Pentecostals when the Lord opens
their understanding that they might understand the scriptures.

Blessings,

Falla39

Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
 

That is a valid point!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His thoughts cannot fail.

Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
 

No, because Latin has the same word "Hypostasis". Nicea was in latin

Greek was hupstasis.

[Late Latin, from Greek hupostasis : hupo-, hypo- + stasis, a standing; see stā- in Indo-European roots.]
hy'po·stat'ic (hī'pə-stāt'ĭk), hy'po·stat'i·cal adj., hy'po·stat'i·cal·ly adv.

Persona is the Latin of the greek Prosopon

Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
 

Essentially the same thing. We are afraid to say the pre-existence of the Son because it would be confused with Trinitarianism a pre-existing Son. But I am ok with saying "the Son pre-existed" as long as it is qualified with "but not as the Son but as He who came AS the Son."

Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
 

Again very good.

Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
 

JESUS was the "Son" "according to the flesh", so without the begetting of flesh, there was no "eternally begotten Son", unless you have a 6 foot tall, brown haired, brown eyed man, next to GOD in eternity past, waiting to come down as the Son. That's how I understand it anyways.

-Bro. Alex

Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?
 

hmmm not just according to the flesh though. He was the Son of God. The Son is not simply a container for divinity.