Originally Posted by DAII (Post 875208)

Although I believe the differences can co-exist ...

I have to agree with PO that many of the differences are foundational in their outlook ...

In speaking to a pastor that left the org in 1977 ... he shared that he had discussed his shift in theology with his elders at the time, JT Pugh and J. Kilgore ... he felt that his understanding of grace might be divisive.

Pugh, it seems shared this view and asked him to stay but ... he felt it was better to leave than to argue it.

The pastor admittedly did not have knowledge of the PCI men in the org.

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 875211)

After my discusson with this pastor ... I am more convinced than ever that the Elder Kilgore is not only repentant about his role in 1992 but firmly sees that "God is doing a new thing" .... since then.

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 875216)

Kinda sad. Bro. Kilgore is a good man and highly respected but he has that "blot" on him that by telling a lie he was instrumental in getting the AS passed and splitting the organization.

I'm sure he has repented and God has forgiven him but that's an example of how we some times cannot undo what's done or we cannot unring a bell.

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 875211)

After my discusson with this pastor ... I am more convinced than ever that the Elder Kilgore is not only repentant about his role in 1992 but firmly sees that "God is doing a new thing" .... since then.

This may become more evident through the actions of his son.

Originally Posted by Justin (Post 875218)

Which is sad because his son will probably be labeled a "compromiser", as he will be seen as "changing courses from the old paths".

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 875217)

I would rather believed he was misinformed ... rather than blatantly lying. I think some there might agree with this perspective.

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 875222)

Dan, I'm not judging the man. He has been highly respected for years. I was not there when the AS was voted in and I was not part of the UPC. It was my understanding that he would have known about how many of the Board were against the AS but when asked about it he "misrepresented" their positions and stated that they (the Board) were overwhelmingly in favor of it. I am not slandering my brother nor judging him. Maybe I have been misinformed and have been passing on a tale that is untrue but I hope not.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 875003)

From reading on the previous forums it seems that many said that, originally, the "differing" views on the salvational message sounded so alike that you couldn't distinguish the two. Now it's been said that the differences are very apparent and couldn't possibly abide together.

So, wouldn't the two have drifted apart even without an Affirmation Statement? It seems like they would have. Perhaps the AF helped it along but, today it seems it would have ended in a divide anyway, JMO.

How can God, who is so precise on plans and timing, have two plans of salvation?

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 875129)

Okay, I get you on that. Keep then at their respective churches and we can be in unity. That would probably work. Just don't preach them together. Got it! LOL!

So you admit it wouldn't work on, like, on a tag team? LOL!

Originally Posted by DAII (Post 875217)

I would rather believed he was misinformed ... rather than blatantly lying. I think some there might agree with this perspective.