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Evang.Benincasa 11-15-2008 02:40 PM

Re: You Might Be a Legalist when....
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 631837)
You might be a legalist if ...

...you concentrate on touch not, taste not and handle not. (Col 2:20-22)

Paul was speaking of ceremonial law of the temple. The Jews who had been converted were trying to bring the newly converted Gentiles over into the Law keeping system that was getting ready to vanish away. The teachings and doctrines of men were those that Jesus came against when He rebuked the Pharisees on their oral tradition. Everything center around the Law keeping system and the temple in Jerusalem. Col 2:20-22 cannot be used to refute outward modesty and separation. The Gentiles were not to keep the ceremonial law of the temple, or observance of holy days, and they were to abstain from their former pagan activities, temple prostitution, eating of the flesh and blood, which was offered to their many pagan gods.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

bkstokes 11-15-2008 02:53 PM

Re: You Might Be a Legalist when....
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 631682)
I seriously doubt that unless some guy is hitting on more women at work.:tease
I preach in the most conservative churches in Pentecost and they do not look like the MOrmons however somel libs look like Tammy Faye and Jan and the whores of Hollywood.

Bro. Epley

The only reason they don't look like the mormon ladies is because the pentecostal women buy really expensive dresses and shoes (which I think Peter speaks of this also). However, for the majority of the women the hair and dress are the same as the women.

I have actually seen people confuse pentecostals with the FLDS (and it was because of the similarity of the women).

Evang.Benincasa 11-15-2008 02:54 PM

Re: You Might Be a Legalist when....
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 631826)
I was not necessarily reflecting on all you may believe, but pointing out what I did with the fact that many refer to holiness as clothing, and hence feel they are not holy until THEY do something



Where is the contradiction? I said we are already holy. Perfecting it does not remove nor contradict that fact. You cannot perfect something that does not exist already. It did not say CREATE holiness in the fear of God, you know. lol

So let me add...

You might be a legalist if...

...you think 2 Cor 7:1 means CREATE HOLINESS. :ursofunny

2Co 6:14-18

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye SEPARATE, saith the Lord, and TOUCH NOT the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."


The Body of Christ was supposed to be joined together in holiness, separation unto the Lord. It, like God, could not be in union with the darkness, and ignorance of wickedness. Reason why a believer who has the Holy Ghost cannot have a devil in them and have the Holy Ghost. 2Cor 6:14-18 proceeds 2Cor 7:1 and completes what is being stated in 2Cor 6:14-18, that they had the promises of being separated unto the Lord, and therefore they were to maintain that separation. They were not to mingle themselves with idolatry, and practices that would be contrary to the holiness of God.

The scripture of 2Cor 7:1 says plainly that they were to be perfecting holiness, which in the Greek, meant to further execute holiness by maintaining their separation from those things that were contrary to the holiness, and separation of God Himself.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Evang.Benincasa 11-15-2008 03:01 PM

Re: You Might Be a Legalist when....
 
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Originally Posted by bkstokes (Post 631861)
Bro. Epley

The only reason they don't look like the mormon ladies is because the pentecostal women buy really expensive dresses and shoes (which I think Peter speaks of this also). However, for the majority of the women the hair and dress are the same as the women.

I have actually seen people confuse pentecostals with the FLDS (and it was because of the similarity of the women).

You know what is hysterical, more than half of you individuals wouldn't even know what the letters F. L. D. S. meant if those chaps didn't get busted.
Before the bust, over in Texas YFZ ranch, you dudes and dudettes use to say that Pentecostal Apostolics looked like, Mennonites, Amish, and Quakers.

Next time any of you walk by an Outlaw Biker sitting on his Harley Davidson, tell him that he looks like those Leather Boy Bikers from San Francisco. :winkgrin

bkstokes 11-15-2008 03:09 PM

Re: You Might Be a Legalist when....
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 631866)
You know what is hysterical, more than half of you individuals wouldn't even know what the letters F. L. D. S. meant if those chaps didn't get busted.
Before the bust, over in Texas YFZ ranch, you dudes and dudettes use to say that Pentecostal Apostolics looked like, Mennonites, Amish, and Quakers.

Next time any of you walk by an Outlaw Biker sitting on his Harley Davidson, tell him that he looks like those Leather Boy Bikers from San Francisco. :winkgrin

Your response further proves the point that I was trying to make. The so-called "holiness standards" have marginalized some oneness pentecostals so that they have become as relevant as the quackers, mennonites, FLDS, etc.

Thank you for bringing that out.

Sam 11-15-2008 03:29 PM

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14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers [do not make mismated alliances with them or come under a different yoke with them, inconsistent with your faith]. For what partnership have right living and right standing with God with iniquity and lawlessness? Or how can light have fellowship with darkness?
15 What harmony can there be between Christ and Belial [the devil]? Or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?
16 What agreement [can there be between] a temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God; even as God said, I will dwell in and with and among them and will walk in and with and among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
17 So, come out from among [unbelievers], and separate (sever) yourselves from them, says the Lord, and touch not [any] unclean thing; then I will receive you kindly and treat you with favor,
18 And I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.

1 Therefore, since these [great] promises are ours, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that contaminates and defiles body and spirit, and bring [our] consecration to completeness in the [reverential] fear of God.

2 Corinthians 6:14-7:1

Evang.Benincasa 11-15-2008 03:34 PM

Re: You Might Be a Legalist when....
 
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Originally Posted by bkstokes (Post 631869)
Your response further proves the point that I was trying to make. The so-called "holiness standards" have marginalized some oneness pentecostals so that they have become as relevant as the quackers, mennonites, FLDS, etc.

Thank you for bringing that out.

Your welcome but that wasn't hard to do. So how does a an individual in the Mafia marginalize a lawyer if they are both wearing suits and black Oxfords?

How does the New York City Leather Boy marginalize the Outlaw?

How does the Rastafari, get marginilized by an individual who is just wearing dreads up in a tam?

There are many groups and individuals who look the same, but during the time of Christ, Jesus may of looked just like the Pharisee in which He said appeared beautiful.

Jesus rebuked those who appeared holy but were not holy within.

The outlaw biker doesn't like the wanna-be, and sure doesn't want to be confused with a homosexual wearing leather. With all of the different groups there are those who want to be the purist form of that group. The Islamic Jihadist believes that he is the purist form of his belief, while other Muslims wouldn't accept the extreme.

Every Religion has it's purists and those who are seeking to be separated unto their God, god, or gods.

During the time of Christ, the Pharisees were the separatist who separated themselves from the Hellenist society around them. They didn't want to look like Romans, or Greeks. They remember the Maccabees who fought a war over not being converted into pork eating Gentiles. The separation of attire was just one small part. What Jesus was trying to convey was that a man or woman in separation needed to wash the inside of the cup and platter first, and then the outside would be clean also.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Praxeas 11-15-2008 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 631662)
those aren't really what makes a legalist a legalist....a hypocrite maybe or even a fake, but not a legalist

bump

berkeley 11-15-2008 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 631337)
The folks who have most to say about love and mercy have the least of it. Honestly they are NOT studying prophecy they are fulfilling prophecy "like being dispisers of those who are good." They love the world and desire to be like the world because they are of the world.

I'm offended. I'm the only lib that said "this thread is offensive."

Neck 11-15-2008 05:48 PM

Re: You Might Be a Legalist when....
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 631682)
I seriously doubt that unless some guy is hitting on more women at work.:tease
I preach in the most conservative churches in Pentecost and they do not look like the MOrmons however somel libs look like Tammy Faye and Jan and the whores of Hollywood.


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