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Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 686618)

So sis Falla39 how do you know when one has the Holyghost?

Matthew 7:15-20.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

What the fruit of the Spirit is, here it is.

Gal. 5:22,23:

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance:

Blessings,

Falla39

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Originally Posted by POWERUP (Post 686600)

My Grandfather told me something a long time ago ,that I will never forget as long as I live. It was when I first started my pulpit ministry. He said don't ever forget,"Its not how many you get on their feet, But how many gets on their knees."

PROFOUND!

Blessings,

Falla39

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Originally Posted by NotforSale (Post 641179)

I have been pastoring for about 13 years. I was introduced to the Apostolic faith while in the Marine Corps, 30 years ago. The experience was beyond words and my testimony is genuine. I still serve the Lord today and love His Word beyond measure.

I've been married 28 years, raising 3 children in the Church. Through the years I have seen many falicies within religion and the Apostolic movement. I do love our message, but not always our means to deliver it. I don't feel my concepts are the result of that dreaded word, compromise, but an honest evaluation of the Church and God's Word.

Coming from the Catholic faith, spending 18 years in this organization and seeing the indescribable failure within the ministry, I feel it is wise to take a closer look at our own patterns and understand where we are going. We are human and can fail just like anybody else. We cannot rest upon the cynical idea that we can't fall like others. Even amongst our own ranks, we have seen the worst of the worst.

I have pleaded in prayer for understanding regarding our "hype" to get people excited about serving God in fullness. Our services and Conferences can be places where emotional drunkeness satisfies for the moment, but when reality strikes, we are left in the quandry of confusion and little strength. The fruit is a saved soul on Sunday night, but the rest of the week is nothing but a real world with real problems.

Looking at the Scripture, never do we find Jesus teaching to a crowd with all of this hype. Screaming, yelling, rolling on the ground, patting preachers on the back, all of this seems to point a direction not leading to God Himself. Pretty soon people don't come to church for anything but their "fix". I have family members and church members who have been injured at an altar call. Preachers shaking their head while praying for them, then losing their balance and fallling to the ground, hitting their head, is not God.

Sometimes crowds can be so loud, you can't hear what the preacher is saying and people are saying amen to something they can't even comprehend.

My burden is to draw nearer to Him and His ways, not the Apostolic church ways. We need to stop comparing church to a football game and remember, Church is a place that is sacred. Hoping pews and going into a frenzy won't save anybody. I think we need to take a closer look at the Word for direct guidence on proper Church order and conduct.

It's so funny how we criticize others on practice or form in their Faith, but then we do things that totally contradict sound doctrine. We must be cautious about this, because this leads to the worship of man. Coming to church is based on the fact, "Who can move me?". The Big Name Evangelist, or the Biggest Church, or where the Choir sings the best, that's where to go.

I've heard it said, if Jesus walked down the streets of our cities, most Apostolics would miss him. He was born in a manger (rejected) and died by his own (rejected). His life was always in question because he chose the low road.

God doesn't fill Apostolics; He fills those who hunger and thirst after righteousness. He sees the man who smites his breast with honesty about his sinful condition and need for help. Duty is the guide to complete integrity with God, not feeling. We must learn to go, even if we don't want to go.

BUMP!!

From time to time I find a thread I had missed. This is one of those.

The thread and it's opening post is totally on target. Thank to you NFS, and the followup posts by PRAX. This is good stuff that needs to be out there.

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See to me thats the thing if you take away all the hollering,rolling on the floor etc,etc,etc then you get called a "DEAD CHURCH" when in fact in the bible none of this ever took place..

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 855506)

Thanks for reviving this post. We have confused many with our almost insane Church antics, calling out of control emotion, God.

Interesting how we claim to be so forthright with Scripture, while our Church behavior is completely tenuous with vain clamor and experiences unfounded in the Bible.

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 855826)

See to me thats the thing if you take away all the hollering,rolling on the floor etc,etc,etc then you get called a "DEAD CHURCH" when in fact in the bible none of this ever took place..

Makes you wonder, who's really dead?

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Very interesting.

There's a difference between programmed behavior, Apostolic cheerleading (ie. clap louder, you sound like a Baptist church), and emotionalism and a move of God under the annointing. The latter is wonderful, the former feels forced and annoying.

I don't want to be programmed, conditioned, indoctrinated etc. etc. I think there's more than what I've learned. But when I feel that spirit of intercession moving on me at the altar I'm going to run with it. Has nothing to do with how I'd act at a football game (I hate football).

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Despite the poor theologies out there, I enjoy the celebration and enthusiasm my generation brings to worship. Multi-dimensional.

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NFS

Having read this thread from start to finish I just had to coment. I know I have said this before in other threads but let me reiterate so no one thinks I don't know what I'm talking about. I was born in Apostolic UPCI or as close as one can be I was 2 or 3 when my mother started attending the UPCI church one of my first memories is of a Sunday school class when I was 3. I carried general licence in the district I was raised in, held several assistant pastorates and started a home missions church.

I have been in most every type of UPCI church that can be found ulta liberal to ultra conservitive. I was friends with ministers during my ministry years that ranged from ultra loud to laid back. One Pastor friend was so out there he had several complants from city and neighbors because he was so loud.

Here is the deal I have found in my own life over many years of expriance. God is not in the shout, God is not in the earthquake, God is not in the fire. God is in the still small voice.

I Kings 19:11-12 When we hear from God it will be s still small voice. We talk about a move of God where there was no preaching this is not the move of God. When we shout, dance, sing, praise this is what we do as a result of what God has done for us and in our life. David did not dance because God move David danced because the thing that represented the presance of God was back where it belonged. David danced before God as a result of how he felt towards God.

Some one mentioned the shout at Jerrico again this was not because of a move of God this was by comand from God and this was orderly, not like some of our "moves of God". Remmeber there was seven days of just marching around the city, before the shout and the shout was short and sweet.

Yes there is a place to worship God with praise and the dance and with instruments but this is to be decent and orderly.

1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

More importantly is our personal realtionship to God and knowing his voice. As a young minister I wanted to be used of God in what ever capacity he would use me. I would be in the prayer room before church asking God to lead me to those that needed incouragement or uplifting. When I would enter the sanctuary I would stop and listen for God to speak to me and look over those in the sanctuary. Most times God would speak to my heart about some one. Over the course of time I learned to to recognize the voice of God and to be sensitive to him.

Its not in how much you shout or run the ieles if you don't have a close relationship with God. When the trials come and they will you will fall. I have seen this so many time over the course of my life I could not count all the ones that seemed to have God to only become discouraged and leave God because they never become a friend of God.

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I don't recall anything in the Gospels where Jesus needed the crowds to shout amen at his teaching and preaching.......just say'n.....