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This is hirlarious! Baptists for the most part believe in baptism by immersion not that they are two steppers. LOL! They are 1 to no-steppers. Baptism for the vast majority is not essential to be saved. To say "baptists are committed is interesting as well as they have the worst consistent attendance numbers per those who are "saved". This per a report I saw several years back. Sounds like a bunch of personal opinion that is unfounded but simply who you have dealt with which is always skewed. To me forthe most part everyone deals with the same exact people. FLesh is flesh and the mentality of doctrine plays a huge whole in how one believes he has a relationship with God etc...

Also.... salvation is works oriented which is based upon a working relationship with God. He leads you follow to do otherwise is damnation!

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Lets not get off subject. Luke, you are proponant of three-step doctrine so please give me the support you have. I am looking for the scriptures that are pro three-step.

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Let's start with Acts 8 and Acts 19! :thumbsup :foottap

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Not to get off subject but LUKE2447 the Baptist do not repent? I beleive they do...

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I thought I posted this before but now I can't find it:

Some scriptures I've seen used by "three steppers"

1. Acts 2:38, there are three things mentioned here;
repentance, water baptism, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

2. Acts 8, the folks had believed, received the Word, and had been water baptized but had not received a subsequent experience called receiving the Holy Spirit, the Spirit falling upon them, or the Spirit being given.

3. Acts 10, after the folks were saved and baptized in the Spirit Peter commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord

4. Acts 19, here again we see water water baptism and the Holy Spirit coming on them

5. John 3:5, "birth of water" is taught by Roman Catholics, Campbellites, some traditional Protestant denominations and some Apostolics to be water baptism. Birth of Spirit is taught to be what we now call the baptism in the Holy Spirit

6. 1 Cor 6:11, Paul tells the Corinthians they had been washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and and by the Spirit of our God. Many three-steppers will tell you to stay away from the epistles to find salvation but some see a reference here to water and Spirit baptism.

7. Titus 3:5 speaks of God saving us "by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost." Again, even though this is in an epistle, some see the "washing of regeneration" as water baptism and "renewing of the Holy Ghost" as Holy Ghost Baptism.

8. Mark 16:16 is taken by some to be a "formula" for salvation.
Belief plus baptism equals salvation (birth of Spirit)

9. 1 Peter 3:21 says, "...baptism doth also now save us..."

10. Romans 6:17,18 says we used to be the servants of sin but we have "obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine..." and are now made free from sin and became servants of righteousness.

11. Romans 6 speaks of burial in baptism into death and baptism into Christ's death. It also speaks of our walking in newness of life. Some believe that the death of Christ is ineffective for us until we are baptized in water. Some also teach that just as we do not remain under the water we are to come up out of the water and that is when we receive the Holy Ghost baptism.

12. Colossians 2:11-13 is taken by some to say that water baptism is spiritual circumcision which is not only the sign of the covenant but it also cuts away our sin.

13. Gal 3:26-29 is understood by some to say that water baptism puts us into Christ

14. I Cor 12:13 is understood by some to say that the Holy Ghost Baptism places us into the Body of Christ

15. Hebrews 5:9 (another epistle scripture so avoided by some) says that God is the author of salvation unto all that obey Him

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I was a Baptist for a while.
I invited Jesus Christ to come into my heart on a Monday night on March 28 1955. I believe He did come in because He changed me radically. I became a new creature. A few months later I was baptized in water in a nearby lake and became a member of the local Baptist Church. My language and behavior (smoking and drinking among other things) were noticeably changed. So much so that 50 years later at our class reunion some even mentioned the "old" me.

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Wow,again wrong. Most believe repentance is not what you do but God forces upon you when you get down to it. You need to understand the doctrine of total depravity and it's lesser spin off doctines than even Arminians follow under.

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You must have been home-schooled.:ursofunny

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God gives the gift of repentance. This is supported by scripture but a totally different topic.

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Not going to get into how and what that means. It is used incorrectly and to the point of man can do absolutely nothing and there is no free will. Since you are a Baptist you would understand this.