Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 802277)

I have been busy.

Osama bin Ladin is not my "brother". Nor are any of his twisted followers. He and his followers have killed and tortured many thousands of Muslims and far more muslims have died by his hands than any other group. He is a creation of our own country, justified to spank the russians when we could not do it ourselves, that Muslims and non-Muslims alike now have to deal with.

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 802635)

That is the way we think of "Christians" who are racist and segregate.

There is no contradiction. There is information that each supplies that each other does not, and added together we get the full picture. If two wtinesses see a car accident, and one of them says a red car hit another one, and the second witness says a blue car hit another one, then one car was blue and one was red, and there is no contradiction.

Did you even read what was posted? When one witness says "I saw two cars hit each other after I arrived" then says "When I got there I saw 2 wrecked cars and the wreck happened before I arrived" those are directly contradictory. See the difference?

How can you sit there and distort what I said? I did not say all versions were paraphrases, I said the GOOD NEWS BIBLE is a paraphrase, whereas versions like the KJV are translations. Now at least be honest here.

I did not say that YOU said all versions are paraphrases. I implied or said the versions were paraphrases myself. See the difference? It is not all about you..

Jesus said He is the SON OF GOD and also said HE IS THE ALMIGHTY. It is God manifested in flesh, where there is 100% humanity in the flesh and 100% deitry as per His person.

An Angel told John to not worship him when John attempted to do so. Jesus saw Thomas fall down and worship Him as his Lord and God. Jesus accepted the worship.

Only in John's version when Mary (alone) came to the tomb while it was still dark. LOL Can't happen in the version where the women were afraid and left and did not tell anyone what they saw. At any rate the gospel of thomas was removed from the bible by the council of Nicea. Withdraw the comment. Rephrase to when the council decided what was and was not to be included in the bible they removed the writings of thomas that were used by some of the churches and ordered them destroyed.

You said that the Koran teaches that Christians who reject the truth are not the true Christians Mohammed told you to respect. So, are you saying that a Christian who claims Jesus is God Almighty, as Revelation 1 shows Him saying, Himself, is a true Christians?

True christians are known by their fruits not their beliefs. So Jesus himself taught.

The quotes I made from the Koran were racist. They degraded black people.

1. You did not post a quote from the Quran. It is deceptive to claim otherwise. But without being deceptive you cannot make this point.

2. Your source is from a non-Muslim translation of writings that represent a small sect (Shi'a) of Islam. Interesting that Shi'a do not exactly get along with other Muslims due to their brand of beliefs. It is by the way the most common source of material for christians to degrade Islam. Which does not make your comments new or special.


If there is a problem with blacks and whites in a church together, then that situation relates to me as an apostolic as your relationship is with Osama Bib Ladin. Bin Ladin calls himself Islamic. So do not use distorted "apostolic" examples if you have your Bin Ladins.

In apostolic churches sadly this has been the rule and not the exception. At least it has been in the South. This is personal observation. On the other hand, do not apply "Bin Ladin" examples to true Islam as long as you have child-molesting pastors and youth leaders or sunday school superintendents who get caught up in gay sex stings in parks. Bin Laden is stamped "made in USA" anyway thanks for nothing. Guess we showed those russians!

And it is the same as you posting words about "apostolics" who segregate.

I have seen the segregation myself. It is still common. It is not "written down" but it is, undeniably and for unknown reasons, practiced. Declaring it wrong is correct. I will leave your denial that it "does not happen" on this board for the judgement of your peers and will not comment any further. Playing the race card about Islam is funny to me however. Islam can be said to be a lot of things but certainly not a racist religion.

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 803001)

Walks in Islam,

The contradiction example you give is not found in scripture. Speciifically list the biblical instances to show your idea of contradiction.

Also, you have repeated again and again that bin Ladin is not en example of Islam, and I have done the same thing with those whom you claim segregate. I am not saying there are not people who call themselves apostolic who segregate. I am saying they are not truly apostolic just as you are saying bin Ladin is not truly Islamic. So if you are going to make that argument against bin Ladin, then stop accusing my faith as one that allows segregation.

Also, do you claim a Christian is a true Christian while having fruit of the Spirit as well as faith that Jesus is Almighty God? (You are hedging that issue like a hot potato.)

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 803008)

Mike, what incorrect beliefs or practices disqualify self-proclaimed Apostolics as true Apostolics, in your opinion?

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 803011)

Racism, for one, as per the chat. Beyond that, everything the bible says is wrong is something that disqualifies one from being a true apostolic. The list would be too great to post here.

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 803011)

Racism, for one, as per the chat. Beyond that, everything the bible says is wrong is something that disqualifies one from being a true apostolic. The list would be too great to post here.

Originally Posted by notofworks (Post 803013)

Does not speaking in tongues disqualify me from being a true apostolic?