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TroubleMaker 02-08-2010 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 875107)
I told you what I see as a divisive message. Saying you are saved at repentance (one stepper), saved after the infilling of the Holy Ghost (3-stepper). Romans 8:9 tells me I don't belong to Christ without the Holy Ghost. So, I don't see how I can be saved at repentance.

You said that both preached Acts 2:38, that it was hard to distinguish between the two messages. Distinguish means that there is something different. Where or what was the distinction?


I really don't see what the problem would be. For example, at General Conference, you could just have those that believe in Acts 2:38, three clear steps to salvation, sit all together. Then, those that believe in salvation by grace, at faith, by repentance...however you wanna put it...they could sit in 4 chairs in the lobby.

Pressing-On 02-08-2010 04:52 PM
Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
 
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Originally Posted by TroubleMaker (Post 875268)
I really don't see what the problem would be. For example, at General Conference, you could just have those that believe in Acts 2:38, three clear steps to salvation, sit all together. Then, those that believe in salvation by grace, at faith, by repentance...however you wanna put it...they could sit in 4 chairs in the lobby.
Sounds like a plan!!! :thumbsup :toofunny

We will pass out brochures at the door.

Salvational Plan A or Plan B

Go with Plan A. If that doesn't work and you don't feel saved, you can try Plan B! Something has gotta work! :toofunny

Sister Alvear 02-08-2010 05:47 PM
Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
 
:nah...stay with the 3 steppers....:heart

TroubleMaker 02-08-2010 06:16 PM
Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
 
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 875325)
:nah...stay with the 3 steppers....:heart

I'm pretty much gonna pass on that one. Not interested in any steps, just God's grace.

Pressing-On 02-08-2010 06:22 PM
Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
 
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 875325)
:nah...stay with the 3 steppers....:heart
BUT, we have brochures printed and two plans!!! :toofunny

pelathais 02-08-2010 06:24 PM
Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
 
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 875127)
Hello!!!! :toofunny
Such a broad and oblique reference hardly qualifies for the way that I thought you took it. But, it seems that I was wrong about "the way you seemed to take it" as well. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ons/icon11.gif

Pressing-On 02-08-2010 06:28 PM
Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
 
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Originally Posted by Brother David (Post 875348)
Such a broad and oblique reference hardly qualifies for the way that I thought you took it. But, it seems that I was wrong about "the way you seemed to take it" as well. http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ons/icon11.gif
LOL! I understood you perfectly, but that's okay. I won't hold it against you. :D LOL!

Sister Alvear 02-08-2010 06:31 PM
Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
 
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 875345)
BUT, we have brochures printed and two plans!!! :toofunny
:ursofunny

pelathais 02-08-2010 06:33 PM
Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
 
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 875132)
I'll give you a short answer, since we have discussed this ad nauseam.

Acts 2:33. "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."
That was what the people in Jerusalem "saw and heard." They heard:

Acts 2:8 - And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

Have you ever seen or heard that?

I haven't. I have heard people claim it to be so on a couple of occasions, but I have never heard it, seen it nor have I ever seen anyone even attempt to prove it.

Therefore - How can you say that your experience of "speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance" is the same experience as Acts 2:4 when it clearly is NOT the same experience?

And, being "nauseated" by the past discussions on this topic isn't the same as giving an answer. I have NEVER received an answer for this question from anyone - ever.

How can you (or any Three Stepper) claim that an experience that you have never witnessed is the bona fide and essential "evidence" of salvation?"

Going by your own testimony on this one - NO ONE HAS EVER BEEN SAVED since the Day of Pentecost, 30 A.D.

pelathais 02-08-2010 06:42 PM
Re: Confess your sin, UPCI!
 
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 875304)
Sounds like a plan!!! :thumbsup :toofunny

We will pass out brochures at the door.

Salvational Plan A or Plan B

Go with Plan A. If that doesn't work and you don't feel saved, you can try Plan B! Something has gotta work! :toofunny
Why not tell them that they have to experience something that no one in 2,000 years has ever even claimed to have experienced?

When they ask, "Why? ... How?"

Just tell them that you pretend to do it and that's all they have to do to be saved as well.


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