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Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Matthew 5:23-25 KJV

That's the higher way. DB should have talked with his college buddy about the accusations...not AFF.

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1393789)

And yes, the college buddy is a violated party due to DB's accusations against him.

Again. A false narrative. DB did not accuse him.

Sharing what the college buddy told the mutual friend is not an accusation.

DB headed off a bad situation. The college buddy never got to carry out his plan.

Sure he could have confronted him about what he told the mutual friend, but what good would that have done except to possibly alienate the other friend?

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1393790)

Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Matthew 5:23-25 KJV

That's the higher way. DB should have talked with his college buddy about the accusations...not AFF.

Bump

This is the only higher way. The only solution of which God approves.

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1393791)

Again. A false narrative. DB did not accuse him.

He didn't accuse him? Did you read the OP? Most of it is an unfounded, unproven accusation against his college buddy.

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1393791)

Sharing what the college buddy told the mutual friend is not an accusation.

He did more than relate what his long time friend told him:

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So, my AFF friends, if you are on the receiving end of being judged and accused of backsliding because you have progressed from your roots and background, kill em with kindness. If you are on the other end accusing, judging, deciding who is saved and who isn't---if you are truly in the right and what you believe is truth---love those back into the fold if you really want to influence them to "come home". Lining someone up---especially after years of little to no contact, with no investment in a relationship with them probably won't be readily received.

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1393791)

DB headed off a bad situation. The college buddy never got to carry out his plan.

LOL what plan? You and DB are assuming there was some nefarious plan to confront DB based on someone's gossip and unsupported by the actions and attitude of this man as written by DB.

He hugged him, cried and said he loved him.

Doesn't sound like a man who had ill intent.

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1393791)

Sure he could have confronted him about what he told the mutual friend, but what good would that have done except to possibly alienate the other friend?

So the long time friend told him the gossip but didn't want him to mention it? My words and assumption...I know DB didn't say that.

DB wrote the post patting himself on the back for such a good thing he did and how he did the higher thing. Unfortunately, the post itself was a glaring contradiction against the true higher way as stated in the Bible.

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If I were a betting man...

DB's close friend probably didn't say and do what he did to be accusatory or a tale-bearer or a gossip. He was being loyal. Friends do look out for each other.

If I were DB's close friend in this situation, I would have said and done the same thing.

Why would you let your friend walk blindly into a potentially bad situation?

What kind of friend would do that?

I am glad DB's 30 years late friend decided to rather reconnect the relationship and maybe grow the friendship than to try to "line him up".

It may have been his plan, but he could have WISELY changed his mind. There are times, when people come up with bad ideas and then change their minds before they actually carry out their bad ideas.

There really isn't a bad guy in this story. A little misplaced zeal wisely not acted on does not make the 30 years late guy a bad person.

A loyal friend being loyal is not a sign of being a bad person.

Starting a thread about the whole interaction does not make DB wrong either. DB keeps everything anonymous. Where is the harm in this?

Maybe there is something to this whole interaction that all of us can learn from.

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There isn't anyone in this situation that doesn't deserve the benefit of doubt.

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Originally Posted by J.A. Perez (Post 1393705)

What ?

If the story you told is correct, then the Man you think came to rebuke you and obviously did not. Showed himself a gentleman. You are accusing him of being two-faced and a liar. Because you're believing what your friend told you instead of what actually happened at that restaurant. Its obvious that your best friend didn't know what that guy was going to say.

I think it's very honorable if a man has a burden for somebody that he would come to him and express that very thing. Why would that be a bad thing, why would that be something to all the sudden now turn it negative towards the conservative movement?

This post if you would be honest with yourself and with everybody else here was nothing more than to put another knife in the back of every good man of God that has a backbone to stand for anything. It's obvious you are still bitter because of some offense that is happened to you, or else you would've contacted that man personally to hear what he has to say to you. Instead of mocked about it here.

In my time I have talked to many like you and I have given them what I felt in the spirit to say, some it is helped and they have prayed back through to the Holy Ghost. Some continue to live their life and go on to be reprobate. And in my heart of hearts I have wept much and prayed much, over people backing out from things they once believed.

It's obvious also by everyone that agreed with you or commend you for the story that you shared with us. That they too are in danger of having their conscience seared with a hot iron. I would welcome anybody to come to me if I was backing away or letting down or compromising. To come to me with a sincere spirit and warn me. I would then sincerely search my soul, but I wouldn't post it here.

The Lord rebuke you sir.

OMGosh! Lol!

The guy had "so much I want to say to you"---he told my best friend everything he planned to say. But I had to leave, I had 15 minutes to give him. He had no time to unload on me. He held back because of a lack of time and because my best friend rebuked him and told him to not dare say any of the things he was planning to say to me. MY TRUE FRIEND told him to do nothing but love me. But his prayers at the church said enough that my saints could tell he had an ulterior motive. Face it, not everyone who claims to be Apostolic represents the movement well, nor do they know how to deal with people who are an enigma to them.

As far as what you posted above---you are clueless about my situation.

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1393740)

Why didn't you just ASK HIM? Why didn't you say 'Hey, I heard you were coming to meet me to straighten me out, what's up with that?'

:throwrock

I should have. But I had 15 minutes. My daughter was more important.

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1393744)

Telling him "The Lord rebuke you" was for kicks and giggles?

THIS made me howl!!!!!!!!:slaphappy

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1393784)

Only someone who is already biased against DB would buy into such an apples and oranges argument as you have posted here. DB has named no names. Therefore the parties involved remain nameless and faceless characters in this testimony. He is simply relating a story. On the other hand, his college buddy DID name names, going out of his way to call their mutual friend and trash DB. The mutual friend, who is still UPC, and who might actually share some of the concerns the college buddy has concerning DB, was so concerned that he felt like he should warn DB.

DB is the violated party here, not the college Buddy. Those of us who do not view everything through our politically correct UPC lenses understand this. Those who think DB is backslid think he deserves whatever he gets and do not apply equal laws of justice to his situation.

When I need legal representation may I call on you?