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Steve Epley 06-08-2009 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by timlan2057 (Post 758302)
I've spent much more time on this than I intended but I brought it this far and I'm obligated to answer, which I will, in detail. Being a full-time college student and a government bureaucrat doesn't leave much time for fourms.

But just really quickly here ... you and Renda can both answer:

Does this mean that someone who does not hold to those particular views is not welcome to post here at ALL?

"Yes" or "No" would be fine.

I have no authority and actually no objections to a degree I enjoy the fussing somewhat, however under canopy of being Apostolic and advocating whatever seems a stretch. I wasn't complaining as much as thinking out loud I guess.

Timmy 06-08-2009 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 758324)
There's no specific "rule" that we go by. A post is reported - - the admins discuss - - we take action (or not).

These are the basic guidelines:

Organizations can be discussed but not assaulted.
Posters can have disagreements but not bloodbaths.
Apostolic truth can be questioned but not be mocked.
Doctrinal absolutes can be queried but not criticized.
Admin can be contacted privately but not called out openly.
Standards can be debated but not minimized and disrespected.
Posts can be diametrically opposed but not diabolically attacking.
Concerns can be expressed freely but not just hurled and unrestricted.

Submersion or sprinkling? :heeheehee

rgcraig 06-08-2009 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 758332)
Submersion or sprinkling? :heeheehee

Both.

Ron 06-08-2009 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 758324)
There's no specific "rule" that we go by. A post is reported - - the admins discuss - - we take action (or not).

These are the basic guidelines:

Organizations can be discussed but not assaulted.
Posters can have disagreements but not bloodbaths.
Apostolic truth can be questioned but not be mocked.
Doctrinal absolutes can be queried but not criticized.
Admin can be contacted privately but not called out openly.
Standards can be debated but not minimized and disrespected.
Posts can be diametrically opposed but not diabolically attacking.
Concerns can be expressed freely but not just hurled and unrestricted.

Renda, with all due respect, I have seen many of those same guidelines "bent" and sometimes outright "broken."

The pendulum has swung both extremes I am afraid.

KMHO.

Steve Epley 06-08-2009 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 758332)
Submersion or sprinkling? :heeheehee

Timmy does have his times and this is one.:thumbsup:thumbsup

Elizabeth 06-08-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 758339)
Renda, with all due respect, I have seen many of those same guidelines "bent" and sometimes outright "broken."

The pendulum has swung both extremes I am afraid.

KMHO.

Report Report Report!

Ron 06-08-2009 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth (Post 758343)
Report Report Report!

I did & got, 'Ignore, Ignore, Ignore!":foottap

Elizabeth 06-08-2009 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 758331)
I have no authority and actually no objections to a degree I enjoy the fussing somewhat, however under canopy of being Apostolic and advocating whatever seems a stretch. I wasn't complaining as much as thinking out loud I guess.

Brother Epley, I personally teach Acts 2:38 & Holy Ghost speaking with the evidence of speaking with other tongues and so does my husband, we had 5 receive the holy ghost last Sunday and someone receive the Holy Ghost last night. I know that is not huge huge numbers, but proof that we believe it.

But how many times do I have to say that? Or argue about it? I really do not enjoy going at it, so to speak for hours and hours just to prove a point. I think there are others that believe and feel the same way.

I am one that would rather being doing than saying. If that makes sense to you at all, I would rather go teach someone about the holy ghost then sit on a forum and argue about whether someone needs the holy ghost or not.

I know we all do not feel the same way about it, and I am ok with that too. Doesn't change what I am going to do -- I am going to keep doing what I am doing!

Elizabeth 06-08-2009 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 758347)
I did & got, 'Ignore, Ignore, Ignore!":foottap

I dont think so-

Timmy 06-08-2009 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 758340)
Timmy does have his times and this is one.:thumbsup:thumbsup

:lol

Tina 06-08-2009 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth (Post 758343)
Report Report Report!

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 758347)
I did & got, 'Ignore, Ignore, Ignore!":foottap



Just one example of someone automatically assuming nothing was done. :(

*sigh*

We don't respond to every report, we just take any action necessary and let it go.

rgcraig 06-08-2009 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 758347)
I did & got, 'Ignore, Ignore, Ignore!":foottap

How do you know, know, know?

We don't announce the actions we take. :foottap :foottap :foottap

Jermyn Davidson 06-08-2009 04:00 PM

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maybe you can make good use of my room mate's megaphone he has out in his garage...

it's pretty loud :)

rgcraig 06-08-2009 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 758368)
maybe you can make good use of my room mate's megaphone he has out in his garage...

it's pretty loud :)

Monday morning quarterbacks!

Ron 06-08-2009 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth (Post 758343)
Report Report Report!

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Originally Posted by Tina (Post 758355)
Just one example of someone automatically assuming nothing was done. :(

*sigh*

We don't respond to every report, we just take any action necessary and let it go.

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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 758365)
How do you know, know, know?

We don't annouce the actions we take.

Elizabeth, Tina, Renda, first off, I apoligize if you are taking this as a slam.
I understand a little bit of what it is like to be an Admin with your own lives.
There are also 5-6 Admin & mo one Admin can make a decision without the others in agreement-I get that.

I think what Elder Epley & myself & a few others are doing is just posting our observations on the flow of the forum.

There is a tremendous diversity of posters here with various viewpoints & various topics to be discussed (not all religious based either) & that is fine.

It is the threads that deal with the "Core" beliefs of One God, Jesus Name Water Baptism" "Eternal Salvation" & "Eternal Damnation" of the sinner being questioned that just gets posters wondering about where the forum stands.
A lot of these questions were settled when I was a new convert & yes I studied them for myself so these are my revelation of his word to me not just someone teaching me.

I think Bro Epley was just posting his observations & not calling any one out in particular.

Why is this important to some of us?

I am not going anyplace where the foundational truths of God's word are constantly called into question, why should/would I feel welcome?

Even my family who do not attend Church affords me that respect.

Just my observations.

rgcraig 06-08-2009 04:25 PM

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Ron, I understand.

My beliefs are questioned all the time here and I'm told I'm going to hell in a hand basket. I know my relationship with God, and don't have any feeling at all that I should leave when I read those posts. I just take them as someone else's opinions.

I guess I just don't understand why this has to come up every few months.

We want everyone to feel welcome here and to be able to discuss anything they feel important enough to discuss.

KWSS1976 06-08-2009 04:31 PM

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Pillow fight....yea....lol

rgcraig 06-08-2009 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976 (Post 758381)
Pillow fight....yea....lol

:pillowfight:pillowfight:pillowfight:pillowfight

KWSS1976 06-08-2009 04:37 PM

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Cool... pillow fight smileys

Fiyahstarter 06-08-2009 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 758309)
As one who has come closer than most to doing just that, perhaps I should comment. ;)

It is not really possible to "tear down" a foundation of truth. Not in the sense that it buckles under such an attack. If I have questioned it, picked at it, given opinions to the contrary of it, who cares? You guys know I'm wrong!

If, on the other hand, some of the things I've said kinda make you go "Hmmmm, is it possible he has a point, there?", well, what's wrong with that? Maybe some of the things you guys believe are, in fact, flawed. And if they are, why not fix them? But I would think that the ones who are most secure in their beliefs would be unlikely to get bent out of shape about AFF "allowing" such dissenting voices on here. Anyway, what fun would it be if everyone agreed on everything? (That's not to say that without me, everyone would! :lol)

Gotta say... GOOD points from the resident troublemaker!!

Seriously, I don't think it's you that the good Bro. Epley is annoyed with.

And if you were to quit posting, I'd probably quit too....

(shhhhhh... don't tell them they can kill two birds with one stone!!!)

Timmy 06-08-2009 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter (Post 758390)
Gotta say... GOOD points from the resident troublemaker!!

Seriously, I don't think it's you that the good Bro. Epley is annoyed with.

And if you were to quit posting, I'd probably quit too....

(shhhhhh... don't tell them they can kill two birds with one stone!!!)

:lol :friend

Pressing-On 06-08-2009 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin (Post 757558)
Why not?

Now all we need is PO and Ron to take over.

You're just JEALOUS that you can't find your feminine side!!!! :gaga :toofunny

http://images.marthastewart.com/imag...e_flowe_xl.jpg

OnTheFritz 06-08-2009 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 758376)
Elizabeth, Tina, Renda, first off, I apoligize if you are taking this as a slam.
I understand a little bit of what it is like to be an Admin with your own lives.
There are also 5-6 Admin & mo one Admin can make a decision without the others in agreement-I get that.

I think what Elder Epley & myself & a few others are doing is just posting our observations on the flow of the forum.

There is a tremendous diversity of posters here with various viewpoints & various topics to be discussed (not all religious based either) & that is fine.

It is the threads that deal with the "Core" beliefs of One God, Jesus Name Water Baptism" "Eternal Salvation" & "Eternal Damnation" of the sinner being questioned that just gets posters wondering about where the forum stands.
A lot of these questions were settled when I was a new convert & yes I studied them for myself so these are my revelation of his word to me not just someone teaching me.

I think Bro Epley was just posting his observations & not calling any one out in particular.

Why is this important to some of us?

I am not going anyplace where the foundational truths of God's word are constantly called into question, why should/would I feel welcome?

Even my family who do not attend Church affords me that respect.

Just my observations.

But in all fairness, Ron. This isn't a family reunion where everyone is just trying to get along until the dessert is served. It's a discussion forum. If you told your family that you would like to discuss the finer points of apostolic doctrine, don't you think some of these issues might come up?

crakjak 06-08-2009 06:38 PM

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I seemed to remember the apostles themselves having a few rounds with each other, easy to assume they were eye to eye on everything. Easy....yet wrongly!!

Ron 06-08-2009 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 758412)
But in all fairness, Ron. This isn't a family reunion where everyone is just trying to get along until the dessert is served. It's a discussion forum. If you told your family that you would like to discuss the finer points of apostolic doctrine, don't you think some of these issues might come up?

Well Surprise, Surprise, my family agrees with me!:thumbsup

Tina 06-08-2009 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 758376)

It is the threads that deal with the "Core" beliefs of One God, Jesus Name Water Baptism" "Eternal Salvation" & "Eternal Damnation" of the sinner being questioned that just gets posters wondering about where the forum stands.
A lot of these questions were settled when I was a new convert & yes I studied them for myself so these are my revelation of his word to me not just someone teaching me.

The forum has a definition of apostolic posted. I guess that is where the "forum" stands. IF I remember correctly, that definition was written by the conservative ministers who were the previous owners--that jumped ship.

Any topics of discussion contained within this forum are NOT necessarily the beliefs of the owners/admins of this forum--yet every so often there has to be this cycle of people suggesting/demanding that the word apostolic be removed from the name due to the content of some threads.

The name of the forum stands as it is. We have this domain name, and aren't going to the hassle of trying to find another name that isn't already taken-- or the cost of changing it.

Perhaps www.pentecostalfriendsforum.com would be more to the liking of some.

Good grief, I don't know how many times this has to be repeated. This is a FORUM. This is a tool for people to meet and communicate. This is not a church. If anyone is looking for their doctrinal teaching here, they are looking in the wrong place. What is found here is a very broad spectrum of people's opinions. Nothing more, nothing less.


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Originally Posted by rgcraig (Post 758379)
Ron, I understand.

My beliefs are questioned all the time here and I'm told I'm going to hell in a hand basket. I know my relationship with God, and don't have any feeling at all that I should leave when I read those posts. I just take them as someone else's opinions.

I guess I just don't understand why this has to come up every few months.

We want everyone to feel welcome here and to be able to discuss anything they feel important enough to discuss.

I don't understand it either. The endless cycle is ridiculous.

*AQuietPlace* 06-08-2009 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tina (Post 758420)

Good grief, I don't know how many times this has to be repeated. This is a FORUM. This is a tool for people to meet and communicate. This is not a church. If anyone is looking for their doctrinal teaching here, they are looking in the wrong place. What is found here is a very broad spectrum of people's opinions. Nothing more, nothing less.



Amen! And the diversity of opinion is what makes it such an interesting place.

Some people really don't like discussion (not referring to Bro. Epley here) or debate. It makes me wonder why they frequent a discussion forum.

OnTheFritz 06-08-2009 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 758414)
Well Surprise, Surprise, my family agrees with me!:thumbsup

Was referring to this:
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Even my family who do not attend Church affords me that respect

Ron 06-08-2009 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 758438)
Was referring to this:

Most of my family who does not go to Church don't believe in God & some of them that do & believe wacky things such as Gay Marriage & Gay priests & all that other stuff, afford me respect for my views though they do not agree.

We have had at 'er many times until we just agree not to discuss things beyond a commonality (however small that may be) like, "are you having anything special over Christmas?"

"You merged your Church with another Church?"
"You are starting a HM work?"

TJJJ 06-08-2009 10:51 PM

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Elderest Epley,

What you think? Should we just shoot them all and then let God sort them out?

:ursofunny

How about this!

If you do any of the following, just make it easy on the Elder and put Charismatic or Liberal somewhere in your signature!

1- Have a genuine Television, not just a computer!
2- Are a woman and cut, trim, chew, burn, curl or color your hair!
3- Wear short sleeves above your wrists,
4- Wear makeup, ( men or women) hunting camo does not count!
5- Wear any jewelry, rings, etc!
6- Wears the color red!
7- Wears open toed shoes!
8- Follows any sport but hunting or fishing! (Golf is specially bad, bad, bad)
9- And such like!




Hoovie 06-08-2009 10:57 PM

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Man, I thought I might do pretty good on that exam - I was wrong wrong wrong!

TJJJ 06-08-2009 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 758518)
Man, I thought I might do pretty good on that exam - I was wrong wrong wrong!

:ursofunny:thumbsup

RandyWayne 06-09-2009 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace* (Post 758424)
Amen! And the diversity of opinion is what makes it such an interesting place.

Some people really don't like discussion (not referring to Bro. Epley here) or debate. It makes me wonder why they frequent a discussion forum.

Just speaking personally, but I am partial to soap boxes and "amen corners" myself.

I just want to come on and hear about how I am more saved then the most of the rest! I want to look at the virtual pew in front of me with sadistic glee (sorry Ray) and feel smug -like a Prius owner, that I am better then them and that the preacher is NOT talking about ME with his last fiery statement!

ChTatum 06-09-2009 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 757948)
C'mon. You know what he means.

If Apostolic meant "like the Apostles", this whole discussion would be moot. But that's not what it means. It means "like a select group of 3-step, oneness believers who have chosen an often arbitrary set of dress codes and standards to define holiness".


What I know is what was posted. That is what I responded to, not the intent, since I cannot measure intent without seeing facial expressions or hear voice inflection.

StMark 06-09-2009 03:34 AM

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I've come out of hiding to tell yall this:

One preacher who left this forum told me that he and the others will have no further discusion or fellowship with all you Reprobates.

Now, I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, but that is a common thought.
Even those on another forum that's just for preachers ( I wont mention the name but I read the threads there hehe!) who are more liberal are under suspicion and under question. You can only imagine where that puts all you folk that have gone charismatic and left the truth???? :ursofunny

For us who are still on the good ole gospel ship, we wave good bye and good evening :waving:
icecream





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Hoovie 06-09-2009 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by StMark (Post 758546)
I've come out of hiding to tell yall this:

One preacher who left this forum told me that he and the others will have no further discusion or fellowship with all you Reprobates.

Now, I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, but that is a common thought.
Even those on another forum that's just for preachers ( I wont mention the name but I read the threads there hehe!) who are more liberal are under suspicion and under question. You can only imagine where that puts all you folk that have gone charismatic and left the truth???? :ursofunny

For us who are still on the good ole gospel ship, we wave good bye and good evening :waving:
icecream
.


Let me take a stab at this... Just a pitiful excuse for your dwindling post count and authoritarian leadership that prevents your involvement here.

:ursofunny

rgcraig 06-09-2009 08:14 AM

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St. Mark,

If posting here is the worse thing some do, then that'll be good.

freeatlast 06-09-2009 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by StMark (Post 758546)
I've come out of hiding to tell yall this:

One preacher who left this forum told me that he and the others will have no further discusion or fellowship with all you Reprobates.

Now, I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, but that is a common thought.
Even those on another forum that's just for preachers ( I wont mention the name but I read the threads there hehe!) who are more liberal are under suspicion and under question. You can only imagine where that puts all you folk that have gone charismatic and left the truth???? :ursofunny

For us who are still on the good ole gospel ship, we wave good bye and good evening :waving:
icecream





.

Yeah, that's what happens when you can not defend your position with sound scripture Mark. Just start throwning around names, repobate, apostate, charismatic, emergent, relevant...Whatever

What you and your cronies on that forum that is just for preachers call matters not.

I do know that Jesus calls me His.

ChTatum 06-09-2009 08:38 AM

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Na na na na, na na na na, hey, hey hey..........I think you know the rest.

rgcraig 06-09-2009 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 758513)
Elderest Epley,

What you think? Should we just shoot them all and then let God sort them out?

:ursofunny

How about this!

If you do any of the following, just make it easy on the Elder and put Charismatic or Liberal somewhere in your signature!

1- Have a genuine Television, not just a computer!
2- Are a woman and cut, trim, chew, burn, curl or color your hair!
3- Wear short sleeves above your wrists,
4- Wear makeup, ( men or women) hunting camo does not count!
5- Wear any jewelry, rings, etc!
6- Wears the color red!
7- Wears open toed shoes!
8- Follows any sport but hunting or fishing! (Golf is specially bad, bad, bad)
9- And such like!




I think hunting camo SHOULD count too!


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