Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 373211)

The core of UPCI has the exact same track record!

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 373206)

I served for two years, ending this past May.

Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 373213)

Thanks! I thought you might have known a relative of mine, but he was probably leaving as you were coming on.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 373187)

The men who founded the WWPF have proven track records that makes their direction a matter of public knowledge.

It is the direction of the UPC that some question, with certain changes taking place.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 373215)

I might know him.

PM me if you like.

Your id will remain confidential.

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 373226)

What "certain changes" to you allude to? Res. #4 perhaps being one. But are there more "changes" in the UPC that disturb you? And what are they?

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 373252)

Resolution 4 is in my opinion a symptom of what troubles me, moreso than the substance of what troubles me.

I am hesitant to say too much in this medium, because of how easy it is to be misunderstood and quoted out of context. I have been burned pretty bad that way a time or two. But you asked, so here goes...

I think we are losing our sense of uniqueness as a people. We are plagued by a craving for the acceptance and affirmation of the world Jesus said would hate us.

I don't think we should try to be offensive in our manner or our presentation of the Gospel, but the truth is He is referred to as a rock of offense, and s stone of stumbling. We are fooling ourselves if we think we can get all cozy with the trinitarians and the denominational world and still please God.

I think we are reaping the results of a couple of decades of men screaming "Revival!" at all our big meetings rather than preaching and teaching something that would have helped us a lot more--like evangelism and righteousness.

We took down the sign that identified us as the carriers of the message of the Mighty God in Christ and traded it for the sign that said "Revival!"

I believe in revival if I believe in anything, but I'm afraid we are hooked on hype and are willing to swallow most anything if it gives us a false sense of the signifigance in the eyes of the world that we so desperately crave.

I think we are so concerned with being "relevant" to the world that we are in danger of becoming irrelevant to the plan of God.

I don't think we place nearly enough emphasis on the Teacher in the five fold ministry. We like entertainment oriented preaching much better.

We place more value on what appears to be success, I'm afraid, than we do on character. It sways the crowds better and produces better offerings.

We are in love with the machinery of the organization so much that we have a hard time seeing how dysfunctional it is becoming.

There.

That's a start. That ought to be enough to get me shot full of holes from both, or rather all, sides.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 373252)

Resolution 4 is in my opinion a symptom of what troubles me, moreso than the substance of what troubles me.

I am hesitant to say too much in this medium, because of how easy it is to be misunderstood and quoted out of context. I have been burned pretty bad that way a time or two. But you asked, so here goes...

I think we are losing our sense of uniqueness as a people. We are plagued by a craving for the acceptance and affirmation of the world Jesus said would hate us.

I don't think we should try to be offensive in our manner or our presentation of the Gospel, but the truth is He is referred to as a rock of offense, and s stone of stumbling. We are fooling ourselves if we think we can get all cozy with the trinitarians and the denominational world and still please God.

I think we are reaping the results of a couple of decades of men screaming "Revival!" at all our big meetings rather than preaching and teaching something that would have helped us a lot more--like evangelism and righteousness.

We took down the sign that identified us as the carriers of the message of the Mighty God in Christ and traded it for the sign that said "Revival!"

I believe in revival if I believe in anything, but I'm afraid we are hooked on hype and are willing to swallow most anything if it gives us a false sense of the signifigance in the eyes of the world that we so desperately crave.

I think we are so concerned with being "relevant" to the world that we are in danger of becoming irrelevant to the plan of God.

I don't think we place nearly enough emphasis on the Teacher in the five fold ministry. We like entertainment oriented preaching much better.

We place more value on what appears to be success, I'm afraid, than we do on character. It sways the crowds better and produces better offerings.

We are in love with the machinery of the organization so much that we have a hard time seeing how dysfunctional it is becoming.

There.

That's a start. That ought to be enough to get me shot full of holes from both, or rather all, sides.

Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 373289)

I have risen and said, "No." And for that Steadfast has said that I "lack integrity."

Better still, I humbly submit the matter to Brother Steadfast's own conscience. .

Originally Posted by IAintMovin (Post 373340)

Hey, Pelathais.........why did you go and change this post??????????

I thought we were not supposed to threaten people on here.............makes me say a huge ........... HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..............

Oh how I love the consistancy of the AFF.................

Originally Posted by pelathais

I have risen and said, "No." And for that Steadfast has said that I "lack integrity."

Better still, I humbly submit the matter to Brother Steadfast's own conscience.