Re: Ex-Bush Spokesman: Propaganda Used to Push War
 

it is really a shame, but hey scott needed money, and people want to hear garbage, even if it is real garbage, so he gets money, and we get hosed, lol,dt

Re: Ex-Bush Spokesman: Propaganda Used to Push War
 

Note to the reader...they attack McClellan to discredit him...they don't touch his accusations. Because they know he's telling the truth. ;)

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Here ya go, Chris!

Condoleezza Rice Defends Bush


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWmqc9Bakfk

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Bob Dole Calls Scott McClellan a 'Miserable Creature'

Get 'em Bob!!!! :toofunny:toofunny

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If this guy had any real proof of wrongdoing, why not take the information to members of Congress who could actually do something about it, like open an investigation?

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I was behind Bush and the Iraq war when it started. I was even behind it when it turned out the intelligence was faulty, because I believed it would have been very irresponsible for us to pull out and leave the Iraqis to fend for themselves. When our involvement in Iraq turned into being stuck in the middle of a civil war, I realized it was time for us to put an exit strategy together. The way things stand now I can see no end in sight. That is not what backed when I backed our President.

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Condi said nothing to address McClellan's statements. She illustrates that the one thing she's certain of is that it wasn't wrong to liberate the Iraqi people. Then she goes on to claim that the entire world thought Saddam had WMDs. But there are problems with this. Yes, the world suspected Saddam of having anthrax and poison gasses...but the Administration used terms like "mushroom cloud", "drones", "nuclear weapons", etc. McClellan never claims the world didn't suspect Iraq of having WMD's...he accuses the Administration of exaggerating and fabricating the level of danger to sell the war to the American people...and that appears to be what they have done. When the Administration started making statements about nuclear material and nuclear weapons in Iraq, CIA officials warned that evidence was lacking. The IAEA warned that that Iraq wasn't capable of producing nuclear weapons. Powell even showed satalite images of what was believed to be a weapons lab that proved false. The issue is that the Bush Administration exaggerated the dangers about Iraq with implying that they might have nuclear weapons or be on the brink of developing them to terrify us into supporting the war.

Now McClellan's book does say some things that I thought was interesting that may show that he has some inside knowledge and is telling the truth. You see the Democrats claimed Bush did this to liberate oil from Saddam's control and place it under a probusiness American puppet for the benefit of American oil companies. McClellan doesn't claim that. He claims that the Bush Administration believed that they could revolutionize the Middle East by advancing democracy in Iraq. McClellan calls this an idealistic vision that proved to be a strategic blunder. Notice...McClellan doesn't repeat the Democratic mantra of Bush being greedy and launching a war for oil....McClellan claims the Administration had a false idealism that lead them to sincerely think that by establishing democracy in Iraq they could revolutionize the Middle East. In other words McClellan claims would imply that the Bush Administration felt it would be in the world's best interests to establish democracy in Iraq...but couldn't get support for an invasion based on anthrax or nerve gas...so they trumped up the charges to include presence or imminent development of nuclear WMD's.

McClellan's accusations if true would prove one thing...the war wasn't about oil...it was about an idealistic vision of changing the Middle East by invading a country and establishing democracy. But the issue is, not only was this vision too idealistic, it was a strategic blunder that was sold to the people by presenting distortions, deceptions, and exaggerations of danger to the American people.

If McClellan was just another Democratic hack...he wouldn't let the Administration off the hook about invading for oil so easily.

I think McClellan's telling the truth. We were lied to because the Bush Administration thought a war in Iraq would be in the best interests of the Middle East and the world abroad...so they lied to us to get the war they wanted. The only problem is...things haven't turned out the way they expected them to turn out. So now we got a mess based on lies.

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Notice Bob Dole doesn't go on record against the facts around the accusations in McClellan's book...he attacks McClellan personally. ;)

Here's the deal folks...McClellan admits that he was caught up in the idealism of the Administrations policies, believing they were in our best interests even if there were issues with some of the data given to the American people. But as time passed and he discovered more details about Rove and Libby, about how the strategy of the Administration was proving to be a blunder costly in lives, money, and American respect abroad he began looking into things himself and found that he was wrong and the Administration should face it's failed policies and it's shameful propaganda campaign to rally the American people around a war of choice and not necessity.

I'm warning all you Bush loyalists...when this Administration is out of power we're going to have all kinds of stuff come to light. I believe it will show how corrupt this Administration has been and how much they lied to us. I love all my conservative brethren here...I think it would be wise to back up from defending this Administration and take a "could be right" position and wait it all out to see if we've been lied to. Because if y'all ideologically defend these guys and they're proven to be as corrupt as the day is long it's going to make your judgment look questionable and could conceivably make you look like you're of like spirit. I think better of you guys, even if we disagree on some political issues. Don't let this Administration taint you.

I know a guy who supported Clinton...and when he heard about how Clinton was accused of having an affair he said, "Awww man." His buddies asked, "So do you think it's true?" He said, "Bro, this is Clinton, I know it's true." Though he supported Clinton, he was willing to accept and tell the truth about the man. We need men with that much integrity about the Bush Administration. We need conservatives who will tell the truth about there own. Conservatives who value their loyalty to the American people more than their loyalty to a President or a party. McClellan just might be that kind of conservative.

God bless.

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Saddam Hussein proved he had weapons of mass destruction when he gassed thousands of his own people. Anyone who would be willing to use those types of weapons on his own people would not hesitate to use them on others. He admitted before his death that he tried to make it look to the rest of the world that he was up to no good in developing other ways of using WMDs, even though he wasn't. Hussein played a game with the rest of the world and his cost him his life.

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Bro...most nations in the world have the ability to gas a significant number of people...that's no reason to lie to justify an invasion. Hey...we've got that ability many times over...what if Russia felt a preemptive attack on the US to protect her interests were justified? We can't go around invading every country that has gas or uses it...we'd have war without end and it would be the death of us. But here's the deal...a Middle Eastern nation with nukes...now that justifies military action to protect Israel and our economic interests in the region, like oil. That's why Bush led us to believe they already had nukes or were on the verge of having them in a couple months.

Strong sanctions were already causing Saddam's regime to teeter on the verge of collapse. The IAEA, the UN, and the CIA warned that they believed Saddam was bluffing in his rhetoric... seeing that his regime was a sinking ship. If you can remember that's why they were demanding more inspections to verify the charges Bush was making. It all wasn't adding up. The Administration made the case that more inspections weren't needed because Saddam wasn't complying anyway and pushed for the war. Hate to say it...but if the inspectors got in again...they may have proven the Administration's accusations regarding nuclear capability and projects to be exaggerated.

Here's what gets my goat...if McClellan is right...the IAEA and the United Nations was telling us more truth about Iraq than the Bush Administration.