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LUKE2447

05-22-2009 03:23 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

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Originally Posted by Rhoni (Post 752406)

You must have been home-schooled.:ursofunny

???

Jermyn Davidson

05-22-2009 03:39 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447 (Post 752405)

Wow,again wrong. Most believe repentance is not what you do but God forces upon you when you get down to it. You need to understand the doctrine of total depravity and it's lesser spin off doctines than even Arminians follow under.

Luke,

What can you do to save yourself?

One night I was reading my Bible and I read about how GOD hardened Pharoah's heart.

It was that night that I received a deeper appreciation for the Grace of GOD!

Timmy

05-22-2009 04:41 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 752418)

How's that?

Praxeas

05-23-2009 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 752300)

The major weakness of the PURE 3 step doctrine is that it puts EVERYONE in hell, w/no exceptions, regardless of true repentance and a changed and surrendered life to Jesus Christ, who has NOT either been baptized in Jesus' name or has not spoken with tongues. And it puts EVERYONE in hell who HAS received the HGB speaking in tongues but has not been baptized in Jesus' name.

The strength is that it preserves Ac. 2:38 in its entirety and when preached as Holy Ghost or hell, produces a lot more folks who speak in tongues. :D

With the exception of Atheists and the Carlton Pearson crowd, everyone's doctrine puts someone in hell

Praxeas

05-23-2009 01:09 AM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 752346)

I don't think that repentance is anything other than a change of heart. How can that be a work? No work is done. Only that my heart was once hardened and turned away from God and now it is toward God. Any works would happen because of my repentance.

Repentance is something you do. That is why we are commanded to repent.

Mat 3:2 "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction): - repent.

2 things we are supposed to do...repent and believe
Mar 1:15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."

Act 3:19 Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out,

Act 8:22 Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you.

Repentance is something we do.

If works means "anything you can do" then repentance is a work.

How do you define "work"?

Steve Epley

05-23-2009 01:13 AM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 752519)

Jesus said believing is a work.

Jermyn Davidson

05-23-2009 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 752435)

How's that?

Well if God hardened my heart, I would simply be unable to believe.

But by the Grace of God, I have lead to repentance.

Without His Grace, there is no repentance.

Timmy

05-23-2009 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 752583)

Well if God hardened my heart, I would simply be unable to believe.

But by the Grace of God, I have lead to repentance.

Without His Grace, there is no repentance.

Ah, I see. Do you feel bad for Pharaoh? ;)

Barb	05-23-2009 05:52 PM

Re: Pros/Cons of the Three-step doctrine

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 752276)

Thanks for your input. I have a hard time distinguishing between the timing of belief, and repentance, and faith. To me it happens so suddenly that it could be just a few seconds between the three. We can believe in God and that Jesus is the Saviour without having saving faith. The bible says that the demons believe just like I have friends that I go to church with that believe in God yet haven't submitted their lives to Him.

Sorry for taking so long to get back to this...

While it is true that demons believe, yet are damned, and zillions of folks the world over believe, yet are unsubmitted...IMHO, it is equally true that belief will denote an action, even if that action is rejection.

But those who put feet to their belief do so in repentance.

LUKE2447

05-23-2009 07:49 PM

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Anyone that thinks repentance is not a work is saying so because their theology makes them come to a unbiblical position and alter the whole of what the Bible says. You must repent or everything else means nothing. Not God doing all the work in the relationship. He brought forth the provision the rest is up to you!

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