Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 786663)

Exactly where did our President say that?

Was it where he said he did not want bureaucracy making medical decisions? Or was it where he talked about the doctors and patients making the decisions? Or was it where he said that end of life decisions were ultimately between physicians and patients?

All that video showed is that the "death panels" would be between the physician and the patient.

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 786702)

Twisp your falling for the non-sense. He said very clearly that at some point "we" have to tell the old person to take the painkiller instead of surgery.


He wraps all this around talk of Dr./Patient mumbo jumbo but he is clearly stating that the government is going to be involved.

and that bill clearly indicates such. period.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 786614)

It is evident that you do not want to be like them. It is also obvious that you want to remain inferior to them.

Originally Posted by MikeinAR (Post 786569)

This is another example of somewhat well intentioned people who don't do research on things for themselves letting people like goofy Sarah Palin get them all worked up over nothing. Good Christian people get caught up in spreading the lies and mistruths so a politician can play a political game and in the process people are driven to fear and illogical conclusions.

Sarah Palin never believed there were any "death panels". She simply brought up it up to keep her spotlight loving name in public view, never mind, she lied to do so.

Georgia Republican Senator Johnny Isakson told the Washington Post and I quote, "How someone could take an end of life directive or a living will as that is nuts,” he said. “You’re putting the authority in the individual rather than the government. I don’t know how that got so mixed up.” All the provision in the bill does is allow for Doctors to be paid for talking to families about "living wills, choosing a health care proxy or learning about hospice care". Those are all things that everyone already discusses, but the measure simply pays a doctor for his time to talk with the family about it during a session.

In addition the measure actually BLOCKS funding for counseling that discusses suicide or physician assisted suicide as an option for treatment. Surely everyone understands what the phrase "blocks funding" means right?

Those are the facts for those who actually want them and aren't just trying to kill healtcare reform so their side can "win".

What's amazing to me is that so many Republicans do their best to defeat healthcare reform when a Democrat is in office and wants to address the issue. They are great at playing defense. They have no offense however. The Republican party hasn't done a blessed thing to help fix the acknowledged health care problem in this country even though they've controlled the White House and both houses of Congress several times over the last 29 years.

The Republican party apparently doesn't have any solutions to help fix health care. Just saying, "No", to everything a Democratic administration proposes doesn't help solve the problem. They refused to lead so the Democrats are in the process of doing so.

Those are the facts for those who have half a brain and want to know the truth.

http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2009/08/...a-death-panel/

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 786721)

Where did you find where she said she lied about that?

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 786713)

Twisp you must be under the spell of Obama. Newsflash! He LIES!

He said very recently that he never said he was for a one-payer system, yet he is on tape when stomping for the presidency saying the opposite that he is for the one-payer system.

He even admitted that it would take some time before everybody would be brought on the system. Giving you a false hope that you can choose what you want.

Another of him many lies.

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 786713)

Twisp you must be under the spell of Obama. Newsflash! He LIES!

He said very recently that he never said he was for a one-payer system, yet he is on tape when stomping for the presidency saying the opposite that he is for the one-payer system.

He even admitted that it would take some time before everybody would be brought on the system. Giving you a false hope that you can choose what you want.

Another of him many lies.

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 786713)

Twisp you must be under the spell of Obama. Newsflash! He LIES!

He said very recently that he never said he was for a one-payer system, yet he is on tape when stomping for the presidency saying the opposite that he is for the one-payer system.

He even admitted that it would take some time before everybody would be brought on the system. Giving you a false hope that you can choose what you want.

Another of him many lies.

Originally Posted by Esther (Post 786710)

Because it is a lie. They will only let you keep it for about 5 years and then you will be forced to the state mandated insurance.

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 786736)

Please provide a source for that.