I often see this "well there are christian extremeists" argument. Can someone show me one? There was the guy running around in the woods from the law after he shot some abortion doctors. they caught him, he is in jail because that is what we do with law breakers.

Christians who act like this are law breakers. we deal with them.

there was Tim Mcviegh. we put him to death. I dont know that he considered himself a christian acting out in the name of christianity. but again, we dont take to kindly to that kind of thing.


well that makes 2.

there were more than 2 muslims flying plane's into buildings. they win the numbers game.


beyond that, when given a chance for freedom, "non-extremeists" muslims vote to have governments based on Sheria (sp) law which says you should stone your own daughter if someone has sex with her, even if it is rape because that is an affront to your family.

these are the one like in Afghanistan who no longer are FORCED to live under dictators.

In Pakistan, hundreds of thousands are protesting the action of the dictator there, because he ousted a judge who is an out and out muslim extremeist.

Not 2. not 10. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS.

In every country where muslims approach the 50% margin, violence breaks out as the muslims attempt to take control by violent means and dominate and distroy all who oppose them.

and we want to argue about "peaceful islam"

[QUOTE]Certainly I've read more of the Kohran than I care to. From their bible, I see how it is that they are so violent. In fact, if you were married to one and disobeyed your husband, you may expect a pretty sever beating. Their bible teaches them that.

But, it is not about how bad we are. We are discussing how bad THEY are. I understand the temptation to trash everything that I hold dear as an american and stand in defense of this wicked religion. The news media does it all the time. Everything is wrong with us. Let us tolerate them and try to understand. Meanwhile, the black tide of Islam is creeping all over the world, while you stand in defense of it, after reading one of their books.

You don't? Not right, but nothing wrong either?

This is really shocking. I would like to think that you are the only one in America that thinks like this. Unfortunately, I heard an athiest on T.V. a few nights ago, blame Christians for all that went wrong in the world. He never mentioned the evils of Islam...not even once.

I am just concerned about how many head will be chopped off before they finally get to my darling Christian grandchildren.

Timothy as far as I knew, did not claim to be a Christian. Being a skin head does not mean someone claims to be a Christian

So now we are down to one.

Ferd...

You forgot about the Methodist. :killinme

If Islam is wicked because it commands its followers to kill its (or God's, as they believe) enemies, then isn't the "true" religion (the worshipers of the one true God) of the OT also wicked? It also has instructed, at times, its followers to kill its (or God's) enemies. Its followers are told to kill rebellious children. God's armies have been commanded to show no compassion to babies and children, and to rape the women. God Himself has drowned men, women, and children. Think of the babies during the flood of Noah, panicking for air until losing consciousness and dying. Think of the pregnant women being slashed to pieces. Think of the Egyptian families when they woke to find their first-born children dead in their beds.

We can try to excuse these things any way we want, looking at the "greater good" or saying that God knows better than we do how to administer justice. If we believe the Bible literally, then how can we judge the Quran as evil, but not the Bible?

You say oh, that stuff is Old Testament -- it doesn't apply anymore. Fine, but it did "apply" at the time, didn't it? Was it evil then, or was it not? If it was evil, did God correct His OT "mistakes" in the new covenant? If it was not evil, then by what standard do we make the judgment that Islam is evil?

Disclaimer: I do not defend Islam in any way. I don't believe in their religion, and I do not believe the 10% (or whatever) that are extremists are in any way, shape, or form justified in killing infidels. I am addressing only the topic of how we judge the religion itself, based on its scriptures, as wicked. And: I'm just asking!

Timmy...

Notice the word "old" in the term "old testament."

God's plan, for whatever dispensation, is always holy and just...then as it is today.

So, 3000 years ago is NOT today. Even in those days, the wicked were put to the sword. Even in those days, you and I would not have had our heads chopped off.

Today, the 10% that would chop of my head are in greater number than all the population of the USA. That's too many for me to be at happy with or at peace.

I haven't read this thread, but everytime I see the title, I'm a wondering...

Can a good American be a good Muslim?!

If the OT ways, including drowning babies (evil babies, of course!), were holy and just in that day, who is to say that Islam's ways are not holy and just, for this day? Of course, you and I don't believe Islam is "correct". It is a false religion. But from the Muslims' point of view, it is correct. Whether they really are correct or not is beside the point. Some here have passed judgment on it simply because of the harshness of their dealings with unbelievers. I agree it is harsh. I do not condone it. But God's dealings with unbelievers in OT times were just as harsh. And yet, we are supposed to believe that it was not evil. It was the opposite, in fact: holy and just. Sorry, I don't get it. (But then, I don't understand much at all, as you know!) Is the "correctness" question the real issue? Was it OK to kill babies and rape women in the OT times, simply because the orders came from the true God? Would it be wicked to do the same thing in the name of a false god? I guess I can see the logic there, but it's kind of pointless, considering the Muslims are just as convinced that they are right as Apostolics are.

Timmy, the same God of the OT is the same of the NT. Before one goes and condemns God for His actions one must understand the purpose of His actions and it also helps to keep the story in it's context. One can use anything in abstraction.