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Just out of curiosity, do you realize that there is a difference between Arabic and Islamic?

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now the changes will come, he will begin to pander to the middle to get the votes, lol

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Yes.

Also between American and Christian and Indian and Hindu and Japanese and Buddhist.

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Lookie here, Chirs Hall knows someone! dude, You also told me a story about someone you know, that was right out of Time magizine about one of Warren Buffets good friends.

you seem to "know" someone that fits every pitiful situation in the world.

I wonder about all this "knowing"

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really? I thought I remembered there was some?

guess I was wrong about that.

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Oh okay, I just thought it was curious that you said he had three Islamic names thats all.

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AND that they be forgiven! I have prayed for them to be forgiven for they know not what they do!

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I could have sworn there was like a 3 yr wait for something. I am W R O N G too... that never happens yall know!!!!!!!:toofunny:toofunny

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oh no another story so the libs can cry themselves into free health care, good grief charlie brown, obama to the rescue, dt

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Hehehehehe! That is an excellent example of how to use Photoshop! :lol

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I'm not sure if you're getting his point.

The man has 3 Arabic names, not 3 Muslim names.

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The end of America as we know it .

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You know,
I voted for GWB last time and I am DISGUSTED beyond describing with him and his "wise, experienced advisors".

Currently employed at the DOJ in DC for my civ job-- absolutely disgusted with the stuff my country has endured and is enduring under the auspices of someone that quoted from that old song, "Power In The Blood of The Lamb" in one of his speeches.

IMO I am not sure that there will ever be an American administration ever so corrupt as the incumbent's. Obama is as left as left can be, but he is clearly to the left, and that clarity is refreshing and to me, a show of honesty.

As a values voter, I value honesty.

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You know, you made a good point. This may be why Obama is so popular. With him, you know what you're getting up front. McCain keeps flopping all over the place. Hey, thanks for the insight. I've been feeling the last few days that maybe I need to vote for Obama and have been wondering why. Maybe it is that honesty factor about him. :)

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Obama didn't clinch it yet, he is the projected winner. He will not clinch it until the Democratic National Convention. Talk is cheap and a lot of talking Obama is doing. He speaks of change; I don't think people really get it. That change will be higher taxes among other things. Nobody talks about the 385 billion dollar Obama tax: The Global Poverty Act. Joseph Farah, of WorldNetDaily.com, said of Senator Obama's Global Poverty Act:

"Now comes an even grander proposal by Barack Obama. It's called the Global Poverty Act that would, in the next decade, transfer at least $845 billion of U.S. taxpayer money overseas. Think of Johnson's failed war on poverty going international -- directed not by Americans but by the United Nations."
God help us if Obama wins!!!

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It's down to Obama vs McCain. It's all over except for the voting. Clinton dropped out of the race. Nothing wrong with stating the obvious. It's obvious Obama is going to win. McCain comes across as an old man on the verge of Alzheimers. He's no Reagan, that's for sure.

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Don't count him out yet, Rico. National Security is still the focus on Americans minds, no matter what the media is saying. :D

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McCain can't even get his facts straight on Iraq, Sister. We're supposed to trust him with our national security?

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Well, I'm not going to argue about it, BUT we shall see. He handles himself very well one on one and in townhall meetings. He's a horrible public speaker. We will see who he picks as his VP and how he handles Obamanation. :D

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And Obama doesn't know how many States are in United.

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The man acts like he's in the beginning stages of Alzheimer's, Sister. You want him to be your president? You should be embarassed that he is the best the Republican Party had to offer. Even the Republicans didn't consider him to be a Republican a few years ago.

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I know he is stubborn to a fault, but he wasn't afraid to stand for the surge when it was unpopular with his own party and him knowing he would be running for the presidency because he knew he was right. By all accounts he was. I can honor that type of character. He has done that on other issues as well.

This is the type of man I want for a President. I don't see that type of character in Obama.

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You don't see Obama standing for the things he believes in?

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No, I really don't, honestly, Rico. I see an arrogancy in him and I feel a dishonesty with that. It's just the way I view him. It's just my gut feeling and I have to go with that.

If you watch and listen to him as opposed to someone like Bobby Jindal, there is a big difference in perception.

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I've listened to several of the things Obama has said, and I don't find him to be arrogant. Confident, yes. Arrogant, no. He seems to me to be a man who understands the importance of making room for all of our citizens to enjoy the same freedoms. I don't think for a second that he and his wife would agree to getting an abortion, but he knows it's not his place to make that decision for someone else. He says he has a relationship with Christ, and I don't find any reason to think he's lying. He just knows he has to make room for those who don't. I don't agree with his plan to raise taxes, although I doubt I will ever make enough money to be affected by his plan personally. I agree with him that the time has come for our troops to come home from Iraq, but I don't think he will be able to accomplish it as quickly as he'd like. I agree with him that we need to move back to using a diplomatic approach in dealing with our enemies, like Iran. We can't solve all the problems with our enemies using military strength.

One thing is certain. I don't believe all this hype about him being a Muslim and all this nonsense about his name. All these fear tactics people are using concerning Barack Obama are just that, fear tactics.

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Obama DOES stand for one thing.
1. 1.4 TRILLION Dollars in new spending with no way to pay for it.
2. this week he has stated he is FOR these high gas prices... he just wishes they had gone up slower.
3. Losing the war in Iraq even in the face of victory.
4. Raising the price of Gas (taxing the businesses) to lower the price of gas.
5. Meeting unconditionally with our enemies..... even using the failed policy of JFK as justification.
6. Following the economic policy of HERBERT HOOVER as a prescription for the current economic slow down.

Rico, you can believe in that all you want. As for me and my house, we remain distrustful of any who think like Obama! (see above)

But thanks for praying for my family WE NEED IT!

With great love.....

Ferd!

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i dont trust obama, not one bit, dt

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Brother, I have no problem with separating political differences from loving my brothers and sisters in Christ, so don't worry about these political discussions affecting my opinion of you. I prayed for your wife and son while all that was going on and would do so again in a heartbeat, even if you are a rightwing nut! :D

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I appreciate the prayer and you are RIGHT I am a rightwing nut! THANK GOD for that! LOL!

I still dont know why you would support a politician whos started views are so clearly equal to the failed policy of the past?

that part I dont get.

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dont try to understand ferd, just pity them, lol

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:toofunny:toofunny:toofunny

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really that is all i can do, how do you get thru, i mean obama is for abortion and higher taxes those are like alarm bells, but somebody be deaf, dt

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That's the thing, Ferd. I'm not really supporting him. As of right now, I am not voting for anyone. All this hoopla about him is what got me started in looking into what he believes. I haven't read his positions on all the issues. Not yet, anyway. I have read enough to know that I can write off all this nonsense about him not being a Christian, his name and being a Muslim, and all this other nonsense people are using to try and discredit him. I have listened to some of the things he's said about Iraq, agree with him that it's time for our troops to come home, but don't think it can be done as fast as he says he wants to get it done. Still, I agree with him that it's time for them to come home.

Just a couple of days ago McCain said when they come home isn't too important. I heard him say it with his own mouth. He leaves me with the impression that he doesn't care as much about our troops as he pretends he does. He talks about Iraq and can't even get his facts straight.

I am still reading up on both these candidates to better understand their positions on the issues that are important to me. My two main issues are the war in Iraq and the economy. My position on other issues that are important to me are as follows:

The abortion issue is one I settled long ago. I think having an abortion is wrong, but I also think it's wrong for me to force that opinion on anyone. So that makes me pro-choice.

I don't really care one way or the other if gays get married. Their getting married is not going to affect my marriage one bit. I believe in my right to own guns (see thread I started the other day).

I think it would be better for our country to go to a national sales tax than keep the income tax system we have in place now.

Our healthcare system is broke and needs to be fixed. A good start would be to standardize the paperwork so so much money doesn't have to be spent on processing claims. I also think HMOs need to be done away with because they are too profit driven and not focused on the health of patients.

Our entire political system needs to be changed. Each party should get a chance to run the Whitehouse for 8 years at a time. They should take turns at it. This would eliminate much of the bickering that goes on over politics. I also think Senators and Congressmen should be limited in the number of terms they can serve. Two four year terms is the max they should be allowed.

Every State should have the option of the ballot initiative. It would give the people of each state the power to decide the course for their own state. If the people of a state vote something into law the Supreme Court should not have the right to intervene unless the law is a gross violation of the Constitution (like trying to bring back slavery or some other heinous thing)

I am sure there are other issues important to me, but I can't think of what they are right now. Must be getting old. :D

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good words rico, sometimes you do make good sense, lol, just easing ya

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Rico, those are some pretty wild ideas you have there! each party should have their turn? what about the green party? do they get 8 years? what about the Liberatarian party? do they get 8 years?

As for John McCain not caring about the troops... well thats just crazy. the context of McCains comments about it not being important when they come home is NOT that he wants them fighting a hot war for ever. It is the same context of our troops being in places like Korea, Japan and Germany.

it isnt important what date we close our bases of operations in those locations. in fact it is important that we keep those bases open!

the same with Iraq.

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I know abortion and gays is a big issue for Christians. I can respect that and totally understand where those beliefs are coming from. I just don't see how we are going to stop the world from being the world, though. In fact, I don't see a mandate in scripture to even try stopping the world from being the world. We're supposed to save people from the world. The distance between the church and the world is growing, like it should be, regardless of what the standards keeping crowd thinks. Sometimes I think it would actually make more sense for us to stay out of politics completely, but then I realize there are other issues we are affected by that are connected to politics, like our money.

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So is it true about Obama not being born a US citizen or is that just one of those silly emails floating around?

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renda, you gotta wonder, i heard about that too, wonder if it is resolved yet, his father wasnt for sure, but there was some question on his mother, and some timeline, dt

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well i see the abortion debate in one light, defending the defenseless, i wont ever stop that fight, dt