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Does he really think that wearing red and open toed shoes is a big NO NO??

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How pleased Epley must be with nearly 300 posts of explaining ourselves due to his crass accusation.

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That thought crossed my mind yesterday. :nah

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No, Bro. Epley is a liberal and doesn't have a problem with wearing red or open toed shoes.

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Slight hijack, but I've often wondered why makeup remained a huge no-no, but sheer nylon stockings, dresses that show your ankles, and high heel shoes became okay. They all originated with ladies-of-the-night, or so we've been told.

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Crass accusations?
We have some on here that do not attend any church period.
Some are agnostics.
Some attend Trinitarian churches.
Some believe in Universalism.
Some defend sprinkling as baptism.
Some think it doesn't matter what is said at baptism.
Some believe salvation is faith alone plus nothing.
Some believe Jesus is a created being.
I was just attempting to ask if the original preface had changed?

And now the administration has confirmed everything has remained the same. Thank you.

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Bro. Epley - nothing has changed - - just some of the players.

Maybe we can clear this up by stating that the name of this forum ISN'T ONLY Apostolics Friends Forum.

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This is your attempt to simply ask if the original preface has changed?

Really?

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Indeed... not everyone works by the premise that we should ridicule, attack and then disassociate ourselves from all who believe differently than ourselves.

Also... isn't it hilarious that people bail on the forum en masse and then turn around and say... there are no people like me on that forum.

of course there aren't people like you. You bailed... remember.

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Sure glad that Jesus didn't disassociate himself with everyone that believed differently than himself.

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I think that some of the holy ones were talking about the likes of folks he hung around with.

If there were a forum back then there would be people railing on him too.

Also note that I added a little bit to the post you quoted.

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This certainly isn't a toe-the-line forum, but I think that's what makes it interesting. :)

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There ya go. "nuff said.

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It is considered a bad thing if you allow association with anyone who doesn't believe like oneself.

I'm not sure where outreach comes into play.

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I've always worried when someone says they can't "associate" with someone not like them. Just how strong are their beliefs anyway if they can't withstand a little opposition? Iron sharpens iron we've always heard.

How can you be a light if you aren't in the dark sometimes?

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I find it interesting that Jesus didn't spend his time only hanging out with the religious people. Today, we're often scared to death to hang out with anyone who doesn't believe exactly like us. They might corrupt us.

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Indeed...

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Exactly, a light in a lighted room doesn't create much of a difference in that room. Now put that same light in a dark room and what a difference it makes.

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Actually, sometimes I argue for or against something just because there are reasons that other people believe the way they do-not because I believe that way. I figure that sometimes others do this as well. And just because someone else has a different opinion doesn't mean I will change mine... sometimes it makes me think and establish where I do stand more firmly.

If I knew of a "toe the line" forum I'd probably visit that one occassionally, too.

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I think the realization you are working under is stated in the Bible something like this... we battle not against flesh and blood.

When will people realize that it isn't the person that we are fighting against.

People are against...

Preterists... ISTS... that means people. Be against preterism if you want to... but love preterISTS.

Same goes for...

Baptists
Methodists
Pentecostals
Dispensationalists

Hold on to your Holy Ghost now...

Even...

Athiests
Muslims
Zionists

Fight error... stand for truth... but never forget that your target is not allowed to be people.

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I think the reason that, to Bro. Epley and others, the reason this place "feels less Apostolic" is simply because most of the die-hard conservatives no longer post. So of course it feels a little different. The dynamics have changed a little bit.

The only way to combat that is to get more conservatives posting again. :)

It seems that many conservatives don't really like discussion of the issues, they only like people that agree with them. Which I find unfortunate. If your beliefs are correct, you should have no problem defending them. I come from a strong conservative background, and I find it disappointing that so many conservatives simply fling out insults, or take their toys and go home. If conservatism is correct, you have to spread the doctrine.

I'm very much in a questioning stage, but I truly want to be right with God. If the way I am headed is wrong, I truly want to know it. Whether anyone believes that or not, it's true. I believe that most everyone on this forum truly wants to be right with God, and is open to learning.

I admire Bro. Epley for hanging around. :) He's not one who is afraid to stand up for what he believes. If conservatism is right, they need more like him. :)

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It's not liked anybody has REALLY left the forum anyway. They just aren't allowed to log in. :thumbsup

Mark - you gonna be ok, buddy? That was a big risk you took just to log in and post. :lol

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I know of a pastor who says that he won't associate with someone who has less 'standards' than he does.

So my question: does he associate with those whose 'standards' are greater than his?!

And what if they made the same statement as he?!

When will we ever stop measuring ourselves against ourselves?!

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...and agnostic deist quasi-Christians?

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http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ead.php?t=4975 FYI

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Many won't ever stop doing that. That's one of the reasons I skip reading so many of the threads here. It's all been argued about so much, that it's just gotten really old-- I've seen it so many times I could quote some people from memory. My time is better spent doing something that will make a difference.... like giving my spare time to help do stuff for my church.

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You are EXACTLY RIGHT!!!

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Thank you for the link...

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Good for you, Tina!! :thumbsup

And I agree that many won't ever stop measuring themselves against themselves...it's quite sad really...

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Sad to say we have an eternal babyhood in Pentecost...Always fussing and fighting...We are to fight for the RIGHT but even in this fight we do not have to lower ourselves to sling mud...

I still think we are blessed to have a forum where we can discuss issues, doctrines and even personal convictions however how we discuss them proves the spirit that is inside us...

Jesus once told some that they knew NOT what spirit there were of...

We can be right and still be wrong....

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All HUMAN people have different opinions about many things...lol...the tendency to put God into a lot of our discussions seems to be to make people feel more spiritual than others...

Such as God told me to take wine for communion...God told me to take grape juice for communion... I seriously doubt if God told either party anything...



The Bible is a book you can take and prove about anything...rightly dividing it is another thing!

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I think taking intervals of posting less and taking breaks is always a good thing. When you decide to post again, you normally stay more focused on issues that you deem more worthy of your time. The longer you hang around, the more involved you become and then everything seems to start tanking on you. Just my observation and opinion.

It's always very nice to express yourself on any given day, if you are so inclined. Some days, I want to post shoes - other days I want to talk about politics. Some days I just want to annoy FreeAtLast and Edward by posting floral arrangements! Brewahahahahahha!

Some days I don't want to talk at all! :D

Even with all of our varied opinions, ideals, and moods - we absolutely desire the best for each other - that is what a Friends Forum is all about - :friend

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PO,

You bring up a very good point (about the shoes).

It was Bro. Epley that was complaining about too many "knitting" threads and not enough meat.

Seems we can't really get it right for him.

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Me & my cronies??? I'm not in their clique, I'm not a member of their forum _ i don't know where you got the "Your" from

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I'm not sure he's actually looking for right. We have to consider his age and the things he knows and has seen - such as the Latter Rain Movement, etc. Some things concern him because of his knowledge and experience. That's how I view his posts and what he has in mind when he's posting.

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I knew people from the latter rain movement...at one time they had a big work in Brazil.

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Listen Mrs PO, what;s this about my age????:foottap

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:thumbsup

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Ohhhh, so I'm not your sister anymore?!!! :thwak

I was talking about Brother Epley! LOL!

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Sister Alvear,
I'm sure you do! Your experiences account for your patience on the forum! I admire and respect that!!! :thumbsup